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WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
Creado 30/08/2009 22:37
WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
All those who are thinking to come Germany to work think before you make your decision else you will regret and feel helpless someone taking away your rightful money with the shameful bureaucracy.
Here is an example may be many are not aware or will not know unless face the situation themself.
When one start to work in Germany,we are bound to pay unemployment insurance(Arbeitlosenversicherung) money form our salary every month the reason behind that is one can survive when become jobless due to unfortunate circumstances.
But there are many hidden things behind this.
1. To get that money as Arbeitslosgeld when one is unemployed one need to have a valid visa.
2. (Not always but as in Germany all things are dependent on the mood of the person sitting on the other side of the desk at the govt. departments and also from state to state although the Arbeitsamt is a single body for whole Germany) Many have faced this too, that to get unemployment benefit the Arbeitsamt will tell that to get unemployment benefit the visa should not be company dependent, in other words one should have a visa that allows one to work for any employer.
Now the shameful German bureaucracy:
1. There are many who come here on limited contract and then too they pay the unemployment benefit. So for example Mr./Ms. X after working 12-24 month the company say they have economic problems so they can't extend the contract, and at the present situation Mr./Ms X don't get a new job. So the arbeitsamt says they can get unemployment benefit only with valid visa and the shame is the Auslandersbehorde(Foreign Office) says they can give visa only if Mr./Ms X have a job offer, else they have to leave Germany.
2. The Arbeitsamt knows very well that the visa does not become company independent before a person works 24 months atleast or have given taxes for 24 months combining some other jobs which will not be the case if one come Germany first time only to work. So if they can only give Arbeitslosgeld only to people with company independent visa then why do they take the unemployment insurance money in the first 24 months.
All people here talk so much about so many things. We were hired by European companies because they could not find a candidate in whole EU(As per law to hire non-EU) and then we being given highly qualified job visa, and suddenly after 2 years asked to leave.
So all highly qualified people whoever can be in the same situation in future be careful that Germany can take our legal money with its shameful bureaucracy and we could do nothing.
And All those who are thinking to come Europe(especially Germany) to work, be careful that if you suddenly loose job, you will be bound to leave the country the same day your visa expires, leaving behind your money and your right to get the unemployment insurance money,which you gave for this bad day, without knowing that there is such shameful bureaucracy behind it.
ritrits
Usuario desde 19/06/2007
Creado 31/08/2009 17:38
Re: WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
@Raj2009
Thnks. feel the same here
raj
Usuario desde 27/01/2004
Creado 31/08/2009 17:39
Re: WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
@Raj2009
http://www.trust7....nglish_german_speaker
I urgently need translator to help me translating some hypnotic patterns.
deathinc
Usuario desde 03/06/2005
Creado 31/08/2009 17:40
Re: WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
@ritrits
Are you some Highly Qualified doing PhD research on slum dogs and pigs and their food habits.
Your words shows how much highly qualified and cultured you are.It would be better to use nice words in this forum and we are all happy people like you don't stay in Germany longer and pollute here.
Best wishes for your packup.
raj2001
Usuario desde 10/06/2008
Creado 31/08/2009 17:48
Re: WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
@raj2001
Hahahhahaha keep praying for that. amen
And you recognised well..thats y i called u fool.lol
ritrits
Usuario desde 19/06/2007
Creado 31/08/2009 21:17
Re: WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
@ritrits
You are a quite annoying fella.. you know that huh ?
So do you think the citizens of 3rd world would just give up the opportunity of working in Germany just because their unemployment benefit cuts from their salaries will not be reimbursed ?
What a sensation.. I guess all foreigners in Germany start to pack to leave Germany after hearing this important news of yours..
Fact is that Germany offers quite good conditions for 3rd World citizens even with the disadvantage you mention here.. keep also in mind that several ABHs give some extra time for ALG and job search in case you become unemployed in your first 2 years of employment in Germany.. so your statement here is not true for all ABHs.. I even remember several cases reported in Trust7..
If other typical immigration countries like Australia, USA, UK and New Zealand offer better conditions for someone with a limited residence permit after he becomes unemployed in his first 2 years of employment in that country then a criticism as mentioned by you would make sense.. otherwise you are talking just non-sense here..
This is Germany.. and this is the way it works.. take it or leave it..
Regards,
Lacrima
lacrima
Usuario desde 14/11/2003
Creado 31/08/2009 21:36
Re: WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
ritrits,
You are very fussy.
Could not understand your motives at all.
You raised a point, it was well answered and clarified by many. That's it.
This is a forum to get help & help each other.
So stop sledging and most importantly dont fight using this forum.
Truster
truster
Usuario desde 26/06/2008
Creado 01/09/2009 17:41
Re: WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
@truster
First of all its a forum so don't u make fuss about whatever I wrote, if you can't digest it you can just keep ur mouth shut.
Its a forum that why, many people will have the query before they leave their home country and take the decision to come abroad to work, because there are many in this forum who were working in their home country and left that job and came here. But, while deciding they did not get the information which I wrote in this discussion.
ritrits
Usuario desde 19/06/2007
Creado 01/09/2009 17:52
Re: WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
@lacrima
I think you did not understand the whole motive of the discussion. How many of the people who came were aware about the points I wrote before they came to germany?
Infact most of them even after studying here and taking up employment are still not aware about the points I mentioned. So when they decided to take up job here they did not know about these conditions.
I think no were in the post there is a comparision of what other countries are offering so better stick to the country talked in the discussion rather than trying to compare a negative with other negative. Because may be for you coming abroad was a status.
But most of them work here because of the good work that one can do and to get quality experience.
Better next time if you don't understand the motive of the discussion you too better don't contribute ur useless comments just for the sake of posting here.
ritrits
Usuario desde 19/06/2007
Creado 01/09/2009 18:54
Re: WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
@ritrits
Nobody has forbidden you to initiate this topic in this forum. It might be informative for some people. But that doesn't mean that you will keep abusing each and every member in this forum, just because they have an opposite view.
If you think that everybody is gonna keep their mouth shut while you keep singing to your tune, then you are pathetically mistaken my friend.
Learn to control yourself.
Analphabeten
Usuario desde 27/02/2009
Creado 01/09/2009 20:27
Re: WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
Hi ritris,
If I would have been outside of Germany, thinking to come here, then I would have changed my mind after reading your post. But it is good that I am already here.
Germany is a country with lots of bureaucracy and due to this people just follow what is written in books. People in Ausländerbehörde are sitting in their comfort seats and are not always updated with the new changes in the laws. This is the reason that we have to suffer many times.
When a person leaves his country and plans to migrate to some other land, its a bold and ambitious decision. This also proves that you are smarter than lot of other people.
I am in this country since last 8 years and like many others have my own set of experiences. Based on that I would like to suggest you and all others to "be smart" in Germany. Dont take what beamter is saying, but try to verify it on your own or try to seek some help from a specialist.
One of my friend did his masters (in English) from here and then could not find job immediately. Due to some misunderstanding the lady in Ausländerbehörde got angry on him and refused to extend his visa and told that him that he has to return back and she will not extend his visa in any case. He was very depressed as he did not wanted to return but had no options. By chance, he met me just 1 week before leaving. I told him that she has the authority to reject your request but there are some laws in this country. A person who has done his master in IT has the right to stay here for one year and search for job. I referred him to one lawyer from Trust7 and finally he got Visa and now he is doing job since last 2.5 years.
In short, there are laws and are very good. You just need to find them. I have seen many cases, which seemed to have no hope but were able to find solution.
Abut ALG, in my knowledge, if a person was employed for 2 or more years, then he can avail the ALG I for 1 year. And this means that Ausläenderbehörde will have to give Job search visa for this time. If they try to make some stories or if arbeitsamt try to play games, then simply check with a lawyer. This will cost 100 € or less but then it is worth it.
There is a way in which this country works. We are not used to many of its ways, and they seem weird to us, but our efforts should be to learn the rules of the game and then play smartly. If you can understand and implement what I wrote, then you will notice that Germany is one of the best countries to live. US, UK, Canada, or Australia does not comes close to it. There are some problems, but they are not difficult to overcome.
I have seen people living here since last 25 years and complaining about everything here. But there are also people who integrated well and enjoy the culture and system.
So my suggestion to all is to "be smarter" and look for solutions.
nishu09
Usuario desde 23/08/2009
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