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WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
Creado 30/08/2009 22:37
WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
All those who are thinking to come Germany to work think before you make your decision else you will regret and feel helpless someone taking away your rightful money with the shameful bureaucracy.
Here is an example may be many are not aware or will not know unless face the situation themself.
When one start to work in Germany,we are bound to pay unemployment insurance(Arbeitlosenversicherung) money form our salary every month the reason behind that is one can survive when become jobless due to unfortunate circumstances.
But there are many hidden things behind this.
1. To get that money as Arbeitslosgeld when one is unemployed one need to have a valid visa.
2. (Not always but as in Germany all things are dependent on the mood of the person sitting on the other side of the desk at the govt. departments and also from state to state although the Arbeitsamt is a single body for whole Germany) Many have faced this too, that to get unemployment benefit the Arbeitsamt will tell that to get unemployment benefit the visa should not be company dependent, in other words one should have a visa that allows one to work for any employer.
Now the shameful German bureaucracy:
1. There are many who come here on limited contract and then too they pay the unemployment benefit. So for example Mr./Ms. X after working 12-24 month the company say they have economic problems so they can't extend the contract, and at the present situation Mr./Ms X don't get a new job. So the arbeitsamt says they can get unemployment benefit only with valid visa and the shame is the Auslandersbehorde(Foreign Office) says they can give visa only if Mr./Ms X have a job offer, else they have to leave Germany.
2. The Arbeitsamt knows very well that the visa does not become company independent before a person works 24 months atleast or have given taxes for 24 months combining some other jobs which will not be the case if one come Germany first time only to work. So if they can only give Arbeitslosgeld only to people with company independent visa then why do they take the unemployment insurance money in the first 24 months.
All people here talk so much about so many things. We were hired by European companies because they could not find a candidate in whole EU(As per law to hire non-EU) and then we being given highly qualified job visa, and suddenly after 2 years asked to leave.
So all highly qualified people whoever can be in the same situation in future be careful that Germany can take our legal money with its shameful bureaucracy and we could do nothing.
And All those who are thinking to come Europe(especially Germany) to work, be careful that if you suddenly loose job, you will be bound to leave the country the same day your visa expires, leaving behind your money and your right to get the unemployment insurance money,which you gave for this bad day, without knowing that there is such shameful bureaucracy behind it.
ritrits
Usuario desde 19/06/2007
Creado 30/08/2009 23:42
Re: WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
Hey man cool down.
"We were hired by European companies because they could not find a candidate in whole EU"
Those days are gone now there are lots of what you call Highly qualified from other EU nations who are ready to work here the only reason they hire you is because of cheap labor.
If you think that you are Highly Qualified and being cheated by bureaucracy here then why you come here,because you get a better life and still you earn more than what you earn in your country.
Take for example Mr./Ms X work here for 12-24 months and don't pay any unemployment money and after 2years change the visa and start working for another employer and after 5 months loses his/her job in that situation you are eligible for unemployment benefit but actually you only paid for 5 months then from where the government going to pay this and if they don't then also you gona shout.
So you you claim to be a Highly qualified and companies are after you then sure you will find a employer when you loose the job and get your visa changed otherwise just think you paid the money for others benefit 
raj2001
Usuario desde 10/06/2008
Creado 31/08/2009 0:15
Re: WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
May be you were hired as cheap labour
Well dude the point is not that, its one will find job if one gets visa extension and not that leave the same day.
ritrits
Usuario desde 19/06/2007
Creado 31/08/2009 8:26
Re: WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
@ritrits
very nice thread dude! We pay insurances, such as health, pension, private, car insurances etc etc...basic principle of paying insurances is that they should support us when we need them. So why not arbeitlos?
@Raj2001
Just imagine a German working for 2 years and not getting arbeitlos geld?
Raj2009
Usuario desde 14/07/2009
Creado 31/08/2009 10:23
Re: WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
@all who complain about not getting unemployement insurance
Be happy that you are getting atleast ALG after 2 years. No other country offers this for workpermit holders. It is actually the good will of the german government that they extend this program for other when it was actually meant for their own citizens. Consider the amount one pays for arbeitslosenversicherung and the amount one gets back when claiming ALG. if one had paid for 2 years then it is enough for only 2-4 months of ALG. Definitely the govt does not want to go bankrupt.
I am sure this rule of 2 years is only recently made and not there before a few years.
raj
Usuario desde 27/01/2004
Creado 31/08/2009 10:35
Re: WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
@ritrits
You have no idea how fortunate you are working in Germany and not in US.
H-1B workers are technically required to leave the country immediately upon being let go, they can probably squeeze in a week, or two at the maximum, of additional time in which to find a new job.
Read more: http://www.fiercec...9-02-03#ixzz0PkPzyDWT
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Akshay
Usuario desde 21/03/2005
Creado 31/08/2009 11:21
Re: WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
Those who complain and shout about Germany and life here they should first know about all these things before they come here but you guys are ready to do anything to get the visa stamped and after working here for few months start shouting.
If you guys work in US,UK,Australia or any other place you don't get any unemployment benefit and also you don't get the pension money refund which you get here after 2 years you leave Germany.
Instead of complaining just look for a job.
As mentioned "Germany all things are dependent on the mood of the person sitting on the other side of the desk"
This is not true,if you have all the documents and in order and if you are eligible then you definitely get the extension but going to Arbeitsamt without proper docs and then begging in front of the person Sir sir Madam madam please give extension does not work here also you cannot bribe them the way it works in some other countries.
raj2001
Usuario desde 10/06/2008
Creado 31/08/2009 13:02
Re: WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
@raj2001
You stop shouting when you have no idea of the rule and regulation yourself.
First go and read the section about Visa Questions and then you will know, that those who are having all the documents and even went through lawyers are asked to leave becoz of not having a job contract, even though they have the document from Arbeitsamt clearing stating that they will get ALG.
And also what documents you will bring if one loose job after 13 months and his/her visa is company dependent and the Arbeitsamt says they can get ALG only with company independent visa.
You don't shout becoz you are not here the only one. This post is for all those who are thinking to come germany for work, and they should have the knowledge of the system.
So now better keep your mouth shut like a good boy..
ritrits
Usuario desde 19/06/2007
Creado 31/08/2009 13:07
Re: WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
@Akshay
Well I think you are fortunate for not being in the situation like other co-members here, else you would have said the same.
And let me tell you those who come to EU to work they come becoz they are aware about the call for evening tea and fire policy of the US.
Yes you are fortunate that your country men are not given visa extension even though they have the right and also elligible to get the ALG and even have the written confirmation from the concerned dept.
Bravo your way of defining fortunate is great, seems you are the culprit of US firing and the burning still hurts you.
ritrits
Usuario desde 19/06/2007
Creado 31/08/2009 13:34
Re: WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
So you want they should extend your Visa without having a job only so you can sit at home and claim all the money which you paid as unemployment insurance.Do you mean they should start a new Visa called "ALG claiming Visa"
When you work on a limited period contract then you should be aware that they may not extend then you should have started looking for a job and not wait for your Visa to expire and get extension then you get ALG benefit and take all your money back.
No one is saying that you don't get the ALG but just for claiming ALG without having a job and giving you the Visa extension is not the right way.
Thanks due once again for paying the money for our future,will remember you when i claim the ALG
raj2001
Usuario desde 10/06/2008
Creado 31/08/2009 13:45
Re: WARNING: Non-EU Citizens Coming Germany to Work.
@raj
I think you don't know the meaning of insurance.first of all the ALG is not any public or government money its insurance money.
Consider the amount the insurance departments takes and more than 90% never even take that benefit.
Thats why insurance companies exist.The German unemployment rate in march was 8.6% means only that much percent actually needed ALG
http://news.bbc.co.../business/7973708.stm
One pay health insurance and many never even go to doctor but when they go the insurnace company don't deny to pay them, or they don't put any conditions and say that the disease cost are only given to people above x years of age.
But according to @raj:
The insurance companies should deny to give the money when one needs it, saying you gave only this much and your expenses for the treatment is 10 times so we will not give.
ritrits
Usuario desde 19/06/2007
