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sparbuch account is counted as cash by custom, help!
Creado 05/12/2009 17:07
sparbuch account is counted as cash by custom, help!
I and family had planned a nice trip to visit family back home. in frankfurt airport after passport check and hand luggage check suddendly 2 Custom check our hand luggages and found 3000 euro cash and a time deposite saving account book from a bank of our home country from my wife with value more than 20K euro.
We do know that there is limit 10K euro for custom BUT we didn't know that a saving account book from a bank in our home country where the money is already in our home country also has to registered.
in the information brochure (multi lingual) wasn't mention sparbüch belong to cash but finally I read in custom website that certain sparbuch belongst to cash (but no explanation in details in what case belong to cash).
In english version cash means cash or easily convertible assets eg. bonds, shares, traveller's checques) while in germany verstion there is additional punkt punkt punkt behind it.
I got a paper called 'informationsblatt zur mündlichen Einleitung eines Bußgeldverfahrens' and was asked to contact the person in the paper to discuss the case. it may happen they drop the case or proceed with the fine and I may discuss the fine with the custom 
.
need your help:
1. what to do? immediately contact lawyer (I have rechschutzversicherung, although I am not sure if this kind of case will be covered by my insurance or not) OR try to contact custom people 1st?
2. So do any of you have experiences with this kind of case?
3. it is written as steuerordnungswidrigkeit. will this go to personal criminal record??
I can't access internet regularly in my home country, so I apologize if I can't reply immediatley to your comment AND thank you in advance for your help or input!
VP_2004
Usuario desde 15/11/2004
Creado 10/12/2009 5:32
Re: sparbuch account is counted as cash by custom, help!
@vakalat: thanks for the long explanation.
however I don't understand one point. I offered to declare my postbank sparkonto card (which is basically sparbuch too only this one without book). And they said no need to register this one.
Do you know why?
btw: do you have good experience with the lawyer with contact address that you have provided?
VP_2004
Usuario desde 15/11/2004
Creado 11/12/2009 12:04
Re: sparbuch account is counted as cash by custom, help!
Saving book or a pass book of the bank or a statement of the bank or a Fixed dposit confirmation is not cash.
havehope
Usuario desde 23/07/2004
Creado 12/12/2009 5:59
Re: sparbuch account is counted as cash by custom, help!
@Havehope - what do you mean?
is it a statement based on law Or is it your personal opinion?
VP_2004
Usuario desde 15/11/2004
Creado 30/12/2009 17:15
Re: sparbuch account is counted as cash by custom, help!
If you give anyof the above like passbook e.t.c to a third party ,he cannot make use of it.it cannot be considered as cash.
havehope
Usuario desde 23/07/2004
Creado 03/04/2010 13:45
Re: sparbuch account is counted as cash by custom, help!
Hi all,
I come back to you to tell the result of my case.
I have hired a lawyer to represent me.
Here are some information for you:
- Under German Law, Sparbuch is indeed classified as Wertpapier and therefore has to be declared when you bring the book to third country.
- It doesn't matter where the account is OR where the money is! -> also defined by law
Luckily the sparbuch that we have, isn't fully comply with the germany Sparbuch definition.
We argue with this point and the charged again us, has been dropped.
Lesson learn from this:
It opened my eyes, how racist one can be.
If you care to stand in front of the check point
at the airport, you can counted the percentages
of who is and isn't checked.
have a nice day!
VP_2004
Usuario desde 15/11/2004
Creado 03/04/2010 15:03
Re: sparbuch account is counted as cash by custom, help!
Hi,
Gott Sei Dank ! It is resolved favoring you.
What about EC Karte?
Is it mandatory to declare EC Karte with over EUR10K or 20K in the Customs in Frankfurt ?
Richtig
Usuario desde 25/03/2010
Creado 03/04/2010 16:32
Re: sparbuch account is counted as cash by custom, help!
Actually in the second day, I showed up in their main office in the airport. I have argued with the guy. I showed them all my credit cards and EC cards, I said I have to declare them because with those cards, I can pull more than 20K euro.
But they said no need to declare those card.
VP_2004
Usuario desde 15/11/2004
