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Average salary for an electrical engineer
Creado 25/01/2009 19:02
Average salary for an electrical engineer
Hi folks,
Can anybody tell me about the salary expectation for a job in a microelectronics company with 2.5 year work exp ?
I have a masters degree in electronics engineering. I design analog chips ( integrated circuits ) in a German company.
With Regards,
Buetino
buetino
Usuario desde 11/06/2008
Creado 25/01/2009 19:51
Re: Average salary for an electrical engineer
I would say 50K Euros annual gross.. may vary a little bit depending on the state in which you are living and the size of the company at which you are working.. just a rough figure..
Regards,
Lacrima
lacrima
Usuario desde 14/11/2003
Creado 26/01/2009 10:56
Re: Average salary for an electrical engineer
Hi Lacrima,
Thanks for your response. Recently I have discovered that I am getting underpaid. If I move to another company, I can demand the industry-average salary for my qualification. But due to financial downturn, nowadays its difficult to switch to a different company. I am thinking about salary negotiation with my employer. How much should I demand from him ? Industry average which means 20% increment of the current salary? Or , simply 5 or 10% increment ?
With Regards,
Buetino
buetino
Usuario desde 11/06/2008
Creado 26/01/2009 15:34
Re: Average salary for an electrical engineer
>>I am thinking about salary negotiation with my employer. How much should I demand from him ? Industry average which means 20% increment of the current salary? Or , simply 5 or 10% increment ?
If you switch jobs its normal to ask a 10% increment in salary, but depending on your negotiating skills it can be even more. But if you are negotiating with your present employer dont think he will agree for such a huge leap. If you indespensible for the company then your Boss will agree with your for a increment.
raj
Usuario desde 27/01/2004
Creado 26/01/2009 19:25
Re: Average salary for an electrical engineer
Hi Raj,
Thanks for your advice. You have mentioned that
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But if you are negotiating with your present employer dont think he will agree for such a huge leap.
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Well, why will he not agree to my demand ? If he exploits me , I should protest, shouldn't I ?
I am demanding a fair deal, not over-payment.
Am I wrong ? Is it a norm here for the German employers to exploit the non-German engineers ?
My starting salary was 3150 euro/month. After about two years , it has increased to 3465 euro/month. Recently a German engineer has joined our company.
He is just a fresh graduate and did his thesis work in our company. But his starting salary is 3600 euro/month. Plus he gets bonus for vacation.
Isn't it a big discrimination ? So, I am thinking about how much a German engineer gets with 2.5 years experience. Any idea, please ?
buetino
Usuario desde 11/06/2008
Creado 26/01/2009 20:27
Re: Average salary for an electrical engineer
Hi,
I am a digital chip design engineer, design integrated circuits, which is very close to your area.
An engineer in my area with an experience of 2,5 years has max. 45000 Euro per annum.
buetino asks raj:
Well, why will he not agree to my demand ? If he exploits me , I should protest, shouldn't I ?
Principally even if you are right, you shouldn't be too open to your employer. Especially in this world crisis it is very sensitive to talk that way.
I am demanding a fair deal, not over-payment. Am I wrong ? Is it a norm here for the German employers to exploit the non-German engineers ?
Germans are pretty fair. My manager is German and he is fair to me. There is no such double norm in these qualifications.
Also don't forget the semiconductors industry is experiencing its worst economical challenge due to crisis. In this crisis you should say amen to your current job.
I am telling this to you due to my 12 years of experience in microelectronics.
Klenze17.
klenze17
Usuario desde 30/12/2004
Creado 26/01/2009 21:13
Re: Average salary for an electrical engineer
>>Well, why will he not agree to my demand ? If he exploits me , I should protest, shouldn't I ?
I am demanding a fair deal, not over-payment.
Am I wrong ? Is it a norm here for the German employers to exploit the non-German engineers ?
Before crying discrimination and exploitation, you should have done your home work before you joined the company and got the salary you think is just for you. who forced you to accept it in the first place? No two persons in the same position get the same salary in private companies. There is always a range for the position and depending on your negotation skills you can be placed in the highter or lower end. Seems you were placed in the lower range.
raj
Usuario desde 27/01/2004
Creado 26/01/2009 21:15
Re: Average salary for an electrical engineer
Hi,
you did a (dummy) mistake negotiating your salary at the beginning. If the other guy is earning more than you, that is not discrimination, he was simply better informed than you. Period.
Don't feel bad about it, it is not easy to know that. The only way to get a good idea is to do a lot of research in internet. For example, as you probably noted, you should had posted this question here when you started the contact with the company. Also your location is an important factor for the salary level.
Now, as some people stated above, trying to get an (high) increase of your salary depends on the current economical state of your company, as well as how important you are for the company.
Based on my own experience, I recommend you to try it when you are involved in a project where they will get problems if you leave the company.
Not easy in the current trends of the market.
Good look,
Alex
alex
Usuario desde 07/01/2004
Creado 26/01/2009 22:54
Re: Average salary for an electrical engineer
raj said:
Before crying discrimination and exploitation, you should have done your home work before you joined the company and got the salary you think is just for you.
alex said:
you did a (dummy) mistake negotiating your salary at the beginning.
All of us think in the same way as you above. We should not regret the past. Let's have a look tomorrow.
At the moment there is crisis and in the crisis times it is extremely difficult, practically impossible to ask for salary increase. It might have a negative impact on the current job.
Extraordinary times require extraordinary conditions. Crisis is extraordinary time and its condition is to live with that (what I said: amen to the current status).
The only way of surviving such kind of stuff in such kind of crisis is to have a very strong background and qualifications. This is also technically possible even for an engineer of 2,5 years of experience.
My personal advice/recommendation is to look at the future. My recept is to be patient, keeping the performance in this crisis with no compensation. As soon as the crisis goes away, you can ask for your performance compensation.
You might have done a miskake by starting with a bad salary. Everybody has done mistakes in his life. You can compensate your contras with other pro's.
This crisis is the worst one I have ever seen. You must be very careful and not very risky to open your mind. Think not twice, but three times even when talking to your manager. This is valid for everyone here, even for me.
Klenze17.
klenze17
Usuario desde 30/12/2004
Creado 27/01/2009 10:56
Re: Average salary for an electrical engineer
Hi Raj,
Your following comment is really an eye-opener to me.
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No two persons in the same position get the same salary in private companies. There is always a range for the position and depending on your negotation skills you can be placed in the highter or lower end. Seems you were placed in the lower range.
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When I go to a German supermarket , I see the goods at fixed price rates. So, no need for bargain. Naturally, I might have subconsciously thought that the job market also has this fixed price trend.
buetino
Usuario desde 11/06/2008
Creado 27/01/2009 11:14
Re: Average salary for an electrical engineer
Hi Klenze17,
Thanks a lot for your advice. Regarding your following comment
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I am a digital chip design engineer, design integrated circuits, which is very close to your area.
An engineer in my area with an experience of 2,5 years has max. 45000 Euro per annum.
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Recently a non-German PhD guy joined our company as an RF IC design engineer. His starting salary is 3800 euro/month , that is , 456000 euro per year.
I thought that the salary for a fresh PhD guy should be higher.
Another issue is about salary level to get NE.
This level is 85.500 €. If the engineer's salary rises so slowly ( starting is 40K , with 2.5 year exp is 45K ) , when will he reach this 85K level ? How to reach that level quickly ?
By the way, is there any German discussion forum or yahoo group for the IC designers ? I need to share my frustration as well as hopes with other IC designers in Germany.
With Regards,
Buetino
buetino
Usuario desde 11/06/2008
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