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What are my chances for a Green Card?

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Posted on 21/09/2004 8:45 pm

What are my chances for a Green Card?

Hello all,

I am a 32-years-old turkish mechanical engineer who has been specialized in the IT-area. I have several training certificates on SAP_R3 Logistics moduls and obtained a Microsoft Certified Solution Developer certificate (MCSD) in Feb 2004. I also have a 4 months of experience over a fully functional MRP (manufacturing resource planning) program.
In Berlin I have learned german within only 8 months and "jezt kann ich fast alle deutsche Texte problemlos verstehen und im Alltag kann ich mich fließend ausdrucken"
I haven't actually tried it yet but I believe I could confidently speak german in business life, too.

Next to my mechanical engineering experience in the automotive field, I have an operating knowledge on many environments, especially on "Microsoft Solution Framework" and have a deep interest in mobiles technologies like "Symbian" and the "Windows Mobile".

I have learned from german news that the GC application deadline is extended until 31.12.2004. That means within a reasonable time if I can find an employer I hold a chance to get this very-much-talked-about green card, don't I?

It also sounds like that the German companies still keep on demanding IT-workers. Otherwise they would have stopped it on September 2003 as it was initially planned.

Under these circumstances I want to give it a try and seriously begin searching a job in Germany. Do you think it's worth it?

For the next one year I have a right of free access to Germany as I hold a "Aufenthaltstitel" which is valid until the middle of 2005 but which doesnt include (of course!) any kind of work permit.
Anyway it means I can easily go and make job interview with anyone in Germany.

So, according to you, what are my chances of getting an IT-Job and a Green Card in Germany?

You hold greatest amount of information and experience to answer that question. So please tell me what you think
Every comment is highly appreciated.

Thanks

berkandincay

Member since 21/09/2004

 

Posted on 23/09/2004 2:59 pm

Re: What are my chances for a Green Card?

every country is like that.
it isn't better in Iran or Turkey than in G

to Lacrima:
I supose that the first Turkish GC Holder completed his first 4 years so he should allready have ArbB.
Maybe even AufB.
Do you know anything about it?

DvD

Member since 30/11/2004

 

Posted on 23/09/2004 4:07 pm

Re: What are my chances for a Green Card?

@DvD

I have a Turkish GC friend who is gonna apply in next month for Arbeitsberechtigung, so I will use his case as a reference to me..

I also heard in some Turkish GC discussion groups that some people asked AuslaenderBehoerde, Arbeitsamt regarding this special regulation for Turkish citizens and most of them got positive answers (like "After 4 years, come and we will do it" etc)

that is all I know about it..

Regards

Lacrima

lacrima

Member since 14/11/2003

 

Posted on 24/09/2004 12:57 pm

Re: What are my chances for a Green Card?

All the best to lacrima and all other Turkish GC´s !

-Fred

fred

Member since 15/04/2004

 

Posted on 25/09/2004 12:29 am

Re: What are my chances for a Green Card?

Well it seems that my initial issue has gone off the topic.
Most people seem to be interested in "How To Extend Their 'Arbeitserlaubnis' After 4 or 5 Years" (as expected though, when it's considered that many of you have spent a lot years there). However I am first and foremost interested in "How To Get It At The Very Beginning" (naturally

I guess I must find an IT-job with a total pay of 50.000 Euro/Year in order to secure a Green Card in Germany. Is that right?
(During the Green Card issuing procedure, someone with an IT background but no university graduation at an IT branch, must prove that he is going to earn this money, musn't he?)

Speaking from my own experience, I estimate I could produce a work that's worth of that money. But... will my prospective employer also anticipate the same and really allow me to take the job?

That's the most crucial part of the issue.

50.000 Eur/year is not a negligible amount of money and so anyone who approves it, must have completely appreciated my background.

I rely mainly on my german knowledge and the "Microsoft Certified Solution Developer" certificate at that point.

I have no certificate in german language like the "Zertifikat Deutsch" but I believe, or at least my previous german teacher commented so, that I can handle the german language enough.
Anyway, when it comes to speaking a language, a certificate doesnt make so much sense.
However, I obtained a certificate for the IT, as I think, or at least the general consensus dictates so, in the IT business a certificate matters a lot, if not so much as a university graduation. Because
a certificate involves automatically a certain amount of experience too. But it can never take the place of an IT-related university graduation.

So I still wonder what will I face in the future. So far, I have never
searched an IT-job in Germany and I'm about to search for one.

Hope things will work out fine for me!


berkandincay

Member since 21/09/2004

 

Posted on 25/09/2004 11:53 am

Re: What are my chances for a Green Card?

Hi
Some comments to your last post starting with "->"

"I guess I must find an IT-job with a total pay of 50.000 Euro/Year in order to secure a Green Card in Germany. Is that right?"
-> Right

"(During the Green Card issuing procedure, someone with an IT background but no university graduation at an IT branch, must prove that he is going to earn this money, musn't he?)"
-> Yes he must !Correct ! but I have some friends with Electronic Engineering Degree who managed to get greencard without this 50K limit.. (but ofcourse they met 40K limit which is valid for people who have IT Degrees)


"Speaking from my own experience, I estimate I could produce a work that's worth of that money. But... will my prospective employer also anticipate the same and really allow me to take the job?"
-> Well, you never know before you try.. but the job market is not that good nowadays.. I personally know some German IT Graduates who are jobless more than a year..


"I rely mainly on my german knowledge and the "Microsoft Certified Solution Developer" certificate at that point."
-> Certificates are nice but they are not University degrees.. and they will not exempt you from 50K llimit..


"I have no certificate in german language like the "Zertifikat Deutsch" but I believe, or at least my previous german teacher commented so, that I can handle the german language enough."
-> "Zertifikat Deutsch" is a piece of cake to pass.. but as you said Certificates do not show anything.. and believe me.. Most of the German Employers dont even heard about such german language certificates.. what they care is that your CV is in German(I know some big German companies where HR eliminates automatically CVs which are sent in English) that you can talk to them fluently.. and understand what they say..


"But it can never take the place of an IT-related university graduation."
-> Very TRUE


"So I still wonder what will I face in the future. So far, I have never
searched an IT-job in Germany and I'm about to search for one."
-> Good Luck !

Hope things will work out fine for me!
-> All the best !

Lacrima

lacrima

Member since 14/11/2003

 

Posted on 25/09/2004 2:55 pm

Re: What are my chances for a Green Card?

Lacrima,

Looking at your comment below, please try to be more objective. ZD is including 7 different parts like:

Leseverstehen
Sprachbausteine
Hörverstehen
Schriftlicher Ausdruck
Kontaktaufnahme
Gespräch
Aufgabe lösen

And you need to get at least %60 from all of them. Even the time you spend up during the exam is not only 45 minutes or 1 hour. It may be "piece of cake" for myself or some others but you should have some background to sit for this paper spontaneously.

Other than that you may face with some Swiss, Austrian, Bayern dialects from the CD at Hörverstehen part during the exam which can be quite annoying for someone who used to hear Hochdeutsch in daily life. So if you pass the exam, you will see the "ösd" www.osd.at "EDK,CDIP,CDPE,CDEP" www.edk.ch and not only the GOETHE-INSTITUT at the end of your paper.

piece of cake, yes, but not for everyone walking on the street.

------------------------------------------------------
"I have no certificate in german language like the "Zertifikat Deutsch" but I believe, or at least my previous german teacher commented so, that I can handle the german language enough."
-> "Zertifikat Deutsch" is a piece of cake to pass..

pwehrli

Member since 08/01/2004

 

Posted on 25/09/2004 4:38 pm

Re: What are my chances for a Green Card?

Hello pwherli,

I am being objective in my comments.. I passed ZD in the fourth month after my arrival to Germany(I was not taking any intensive courses) and till today, I couldnt use it anywhere.. it is just useless piece of paper.. none of the Unis in Germany will accept it as a proof of german language knowledge.. and yes it is the most "piece of cake" exam among the other ones ZOP, ZMP, KDS, GDS, DHS.. it is the first exam you can take after finishing beginner level courses.. so do you still think I was being subjective ? please check this web-site to see the level of ZD..

http://www.goethe....ns/de/prf/deindex.htm

ZD has level 2 in ALTE scale.. check the ALTE site in order to find out what level 2 means actually ?

http://www.alte.org/can_do/general.cfm

Goethe's web pages say ZD will be accepted as a proof of german knowledge when someone wants to have german citizenship.. but it is not accepted by the German Unis.. funny ha ?

If I were starting from the beginning to learn german language and take some language exams.. then I would never spend my money on an useless paper of ZD.. I would continue to learn and get a direct ZMP which is "at least" accepted by some Unis..

anyway.. I dont want to underestimate here any efforts for ZD.. but it is not a big difference to have it.. and I still insist that it is easy to get..

Have a nice weekend..

Lacrima

lacrima

Member since 14/11/2003

 

Posted on 25/09/2004 6:06 pm

Re: What are my chances for a Green Card?

Lacrima,

Unfortunately you are nothing being than obstinate with your comments. I dont remember that i told this paper will get one into universities etc. German citizenship requires the following:

Sprachkenntnisse
Bedingung für die Einbürgerung sind ausreichende deutsche Sprachkenntnisse. Es soll keine formelle Sprachprüfung geben. Oft wird die Vorlage von Zeugnissen ausreichen. Wird in einem Gespräch mit dem Einbürgerungsbewerber deutlich, dass eine Verständigung im täglichen Leben nicht möglich ist, wird die Einbürgerung versagt.
http://www.einbuergerung.de

It is not funny that the universities are asking for different papers to accept students. Getting German passport and studying at a university are different things. Even if you study and get completed with a university here, you dont automatically get citizenship or permanent residence.

The only thing that i am trying to tell here is ZD is not a piece of cake and it requires at least background with the language or 2-3 months training for the paper to sit for the paper spontaneously. If you think it is so easy to get, then i would say it is good to have it near the ZMP paper. Both having ZMP and ZD will not put you into prison. 2 counts more for myself. I agree with your comments that ZMP is more effective when you are looking for something job, uni. education.

Piece of cake is good for you but this does not mean for anyone entering to germany with schengen visa will get the paper in the next few days.



pwehrli

Member since 08/01/2004

 

Posted on 25/09/2004 10:53 pm

Re: What are my chances for a Green Card?

Well that will be off the topic too but I can't help commenting on something that I've witnessed in Berlin. Most of the foreigners and especially the chinese students who had passed those kinds of exams spoke simply so bad german. My intention is not to degrade those people (by the way my only girlfirend was a chinese girl) but I gotta say their speaking was so full of errors, and in the true sense, annoying. That didnt fit the fact that they had passed a language exam, simply unbelievable! Even though it was none of my business, I had started to doubt the credibility of those exams: Could there have been a fraud?
So all in all, it's not my matter.

berkandincay

Member since 21/09/2004

 

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