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What are my chances for a Green Card?

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Posted on 21/09/2004 8:45 pm

What are my chances for a Green Card?

Hello all,

I am a 32-years-old turkish mechanical engineer who has been specialized in the IT-area. I have several training certificates on SAP_R3 Logistics moduls and obtained a Microsoft Certified Solution Developer certificate (MCSD) in Feb 2004. I also have a 4 months of experience over a fully functional MRP (manufacturing resource planning) program.
In Berlin I have learned german within only 8 months and "jezt kann ich fast alle deutsche Texte problemlos verstehen und im Alltag kann ich mich fließend ausdrucken"
I haven't actually tried it yet but I believe I could confidently speak german in business life, too.

Next to my mechanical engineering experience in the automotive field, I have an operating knowledge on many environments, especially on "Microsoft Solution Framework" and have a deep interest in mobiles technologies like "Symbian" and the "Windows Mobile".

I have learned from german news that the GC application deadline is extended until 31.12.2004. That means within a reasonable time if I can find an employer I hold a chance to get this very-much-talked-about green card, don't I?

It also sounds like that the German companies still keep on demanding IT-workers. Otherwise they would have stopped it on September 2003 as it was initially planned.

Under these circumstances I want to give it a try and seriously begin searching a job in Germany. Do you think it's worth it?

For the next one year I have a right of free access to Germany as I hold a "Aufenthaltstitel" which is valid until the middle of 2005 but which doesnt include (of course!) any kind of work permit.
Anyway it means I can easily go and make job interview with anyone in Germany.

So, according to you, what are my chances of getting an IT-Job and a Green Card in Germany?

You hold greatest amount of information and experience to answer that question. So please tell me what you think
Every comment is highly appreciated.

Thanks

berkandincay

Member since 21/09/2004

 

Posted on 22/09/2004 12:31 am

Re: What are my chances for a Green Card?

Merhaba Berkan
I would say take a look here:

www.yesilkart.de

and also maybe more specificly here:

http://www.yesilka...iewtopic&t=34#141

The archieve of the following group also may help, such questions as yours were asked thousand times in the following group:

http://groups.yaho...roup/almanya_network/

on the other hand, your qualifications look quite ok.. but do you know, what really matters ? to be able to speak German.. I mean "really" speaking.. can you handle a job interview in German ? Did you already prepare your cover letter and CV in German ? if all yes.. then you have good chances.. if it is worth it or not.. that is another long discussion..

Take Care

Lacrima

lacrima

Member since 14/11/2003

 

Posted on 22/09/2004 7:53 am

Re: What are my chances for a Green Card?

Vielen Dank für die Antwort,

Du meinst dass, Fähigkeit deutsch zu sprechen am wichtigsten ist?
Dann stimme ich zu! Wie ich es schon ausgesagt habe, kann ich mich auf deutsch ausdrücken. So lange es die Alltagsprache betrifft, habe ich nicht sehr großen Probleme, ich kann mindestens verstehen was es gesprochen wird und danach entsprechend antworten. Aber in jedem Fall ist es sehr klar dass ich deutsch als Fremdsprache spreche!

You're correct about the importance of the language. It always matters. For the time being I can speak german at an acceptible level. I've worked really hard to make it though.

So thanks for your comments. It looks like I will take my chances for Germany!

berkandincay

Member since 21/09/2004

 

Posted on 22/09/2004 9:06 am

Re: What are my chances for a Green Card?

Greetings,

If you have that much skills, go and give a try to Canada.
http://www.cic.gc....sh/skilled/index.html

Germany is not a suitable place for foreigners. I do not say that the country and its people are bad but that is the reality.
With the effort you will use in Germany to get settled, you may try to use your skills in a more effective way in Canada. You can also try Hong Kong, China etc.

If you try to come to Germany as a skilled worker, you will be treated mostly like 'Gastarbeiter' in Germany when the people figure out that you are Turkish citizen. May be Gastarbeiter and GC are the same for politicians

Other than that did you see how the queue is like at German embassy/consulate Istanbul during early morning hours

Also be ready for paying ~1000 Euro to change your driving license to German one here plus sitting for the written exam and driving qualification (45 minutes long) with 18 year old German boys and girls.

And please READ this book if you decide to come to Germany, especially the chapter about finding a flat and how the german real estate broker is explaining the facts.

Culture Shock! Germany (Culture Shock! Country Guides)
by Richard Lord
Publisher: Graphic Arts Center Publishing Company;
Revised edition (May 1, 2003)
ISBN: 1558687564

Some of you may criticise me because i am only telling about negative facts. Yes that is true. I was not like that before i came to Germany. I learn here how one becomes slowly a pessimist, stop to see the positive side of daily life and always able to find something to 'mekkern' (to complain).

To learn about the positives, come to Germany and discover them yourself.(you dont need visa to enter Switzerland, milk is cheap etc.)

Good Luck.

pwehrli

Member since 08/01/2004

 

Posted on 22/09/2004 3:22 pm

Re: What are my chances for a Green Card?

Sad....but everything that pwehrli mentioned is true !!

German GC´s dont have a future!!..... Not in Germany.


-Fred

fred

Member since 15/04/2004

 

Posted on 22/09/2004 4:45 pm

Re: What are my chances for a Green Card?

"If you try to come to Germany as a skilled worker, you will be treated mostly like 'Gastarbeiter' in Germany when the people figure out that you are Turkish citizen."

That is true, this is a problem which I face quite often but there are also nice things like, to be able to find daily newspaper in your native language, to be able to find always someone who speaks your native language when you go to Arbeitsamt/Doctor/Shopping etc.. so you feel like at home here..


"Other than that did you see how the queue is like at German embassy/consulate Istanbul during early morning hours"

This is also true but you need to be in that queue only once


"To learn about the positives, come to Germany and discover them yourself.(you dont need visa to enter Switzerland, milk is cheap etc.)"

Also you can visit other Schengen countries without problem and the streets are clean, there are nice highways, you can drink any sort of beer which you even not heard about before.. etc..

Have Fun

Lacrima

lacrima

Member since 14/11/2003

 

Posted on 22/09/2004 9:42 pm

Re: What are my chances for a Green Card?

Thanks again for your interest.

Well I have made up my mind and I will go to Germany in the following week. I will at least try.
As for the things that you talked about, i.e. the long queues, that happens anywhere I think. I still remember my first days in Berlin while I was trying to make my "Anmeldung"... I had waited maybe 5 hours in "Bezirksamt" It's only a matter of how many officers are appointed to a place I think.

Apart from that, almost no German has shown any kind of hostility to me just because I was türkisch, or foreigner. On the contrary, they have shown more understanding then I expected.

And so, again that discussion of "Gastarbeiter"... It's true for every country I think. In my workplace "in der Türkei", from time to time we used to have technicians and engineers coming from France for several weeks and even in these short periods of time, we used to tend to treat them as "Gastarbeiter"!
It's something you may face anywhere in the world, not only in Germany.

berkandincay

Member since 21/09/2004

 

Posted on 22/09/2004 11:36 pm

Re: What are my chances for a Green Card?

Respect.

If we have contact after your possible 3 years of GC work experience Germany, i want to talk to you again at the end of 3 years

Good Luck.

pwehrli

Member since 08/01/2004

 

Posted on 23/09/2004 10:58 am

Re: What are my chances for a Green Card?

@lacrima:
"the streets are clean, there are nice highways, you can drink any sort of beer which you even not heard about before.. etc.. "

ha ha ha... all this is just ILLUSION !!

hope you had nice dreams, now wake up to face the reality!

What´ll you do if you were kicked out of this country after 5 years?

fred

Member since 15/04/2004

 

Posted on 23/09/2004 12:46 pm

Re: What are my chances for a Green Card?

@fred
"What´ll you do if you were kicked out of this country after 5 years?"

No, they can not kick-out the Turkish GCs easily.. see this link, if you are interested why..

http://www.trust7....or_turkish_gc_holders

Regards

Lacrima

lacrima

Member since 14/11/2003

 

Posted on 23/09/2004 1:13 pm

Re: What are my chances for a Green Card?


In your place; i will forget Germany and try to get a good job in the turkey or to make there my own Business; i am sure there is a lot of things to make in the expanding economy oy your country; in the turkey you will be AT HOME; wich things will germany gives you that you don t have in turkey.
Germny is nit a place for foreigenrs coming from countries with other cultural Background.

Itler

Member since 27/07/2004

 

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