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Posted on 02/05/2004 8:46 am

Permanent Visa

Hi All,

Till now I was one of many silent followers of trust7 forums. I am a GC from Frankfurt. I came to Germany in 1999 on a work permit that later got converted to a Green Card. As my 5 years stay in Germany is completed this year (April), I have applied to the alien office for a permanent visa. The process seems to be completed now, but final decision is pending on my interview with them, scheduled within next weeks. I was told that in the interview they want to test my word-of-mouth comfortability with German language. My German language skills are limited to so-called supermarket German. I wanted to know that does somebody have experience with this PR stuff and any idea how strict the authorities are with the language.

rds
kds

kds

Member since 02/05/2004

 

Posted on 06/05/2004 4:12 pm

Re: to kds nochmal

Dear kds:

Congratulations man!. You have got exactly what any of us want.

In my personal case, I guess your move was so important, because A..amt has considered the years you were GC as years valid for the PR.

But the PR is done, now go to make yourself a gift, you deserve it

Regards

YO

Regards

YO

YO1

Member since 17/11/2003

 

Posted on 06/05/2004 4:21 pm

Re: Permanent Visa

This is somehow pathetic.

Here we are, a reasonable lot of professionals, looking for small letters in obscure laws to find a loophole through which we could stay here.

It is true, we knew that this was going to last only 5 years. This GC law -well, turns out it is not even a law- was made on the final edge of the .com bubble, and I bet dead sure that on that point Germany knew for sure that they were buying time in order to postpone this decission and play "with all the cards on sight".

Now the cards are indeed visible. Millions of unemployed guys. A few thousand of GCs. No more bubble, and a market that is not quite clear whether is catching up or not. In this moment, Germany cannot plan to expand because of the pressure that means having near 5 million people on the unemployment rows, but again, Germany cannot dismiss yet any professional recruiting effort because the market may well catch up and in a couple of years may well mean Germany again running behind and looking really silly. Add to this the beautiful ability of the German politic system to turn common sense into "konzept" traps, and there we are.

At this point, guys, I am tired. Look, I am on my early 30s, with degrees and background. I can reasonably find my way in german, english, spanish and some other languages. I have a family and a career. I work for an American software company in reasonable expansion. This may sound stupid but... I respect myself. No false pride, just, well, you know, I know what my place is.

I am absolutely fed up with this discussions. I feel outraged. Ignored. Let me put this in perspective: I mean absolutely no disrespect to any ethnic group or religion, no way, but some time ago, reading on Der Spiegel how the AlQaeda cell was composed in Hamburg, there were guys there that lived out of Kindergeld and Sozialhilfe, guys there coming and going freely. Then, you are a professional, you pay taxes, you make your best for integrate yourself into this society, to understand the rules, to learn the language. You even give birth to a child and teach him within the cultural blueprints of this country. You dream, even.

And what do we get? This unbelievable, disrepectful treatment of just "ignoring" the case, let it sunset into despair, nobody cares really, we first have to stand to our political pride, defend our prestige, not let it go. Ah, yes, there are people anxious about what we are discussing... what was it? Ah, the Zuwanderung thing. Jeez, you can get lost in this coalition stuff, can't you? I mean, we are German politicians, we live through the imperative categories of Kant, therefore, we must stick to our "feinkonzept", and typecast the reality to make it fit our own absurdity. Is there any other way of dealing with it?

Is beautiful. Now the Greens are in a bravado posture, tired of the stubborness of CDU/CSU. Now Schilly starts menacing his own coalition partners, and drawing "red lines". Now. Beautiful. A law that was approved by technically half a vote, rejected by Supreme Court, and reentered identically to a reconfigured Parliament, jeeez, is that consumate Realpolitik or what? This would be even funny if it wasn't dramatic. As a template on how things really can get f...ed up here, no better example. It is that difficult to negotiate within Germans? Well, it seems so...

Honestly, you know what? I am sick and tired to be a mendicant for a place. I don't even know if I want to stay here. For sure, if I am sticking around is because here I am more useful to my actual employer, and because my son was born here, and I still have that stupid romanticism that seems long dead in this country. I would like to give some continuity to my son, to let him live with the smells, colors, weather and language under which he was born -a chance that many of us didn't have, by the way. Why, I am silly, right? After all, nobody seems to really care here about "Heimatland" any more, no matter how much we fill our Oktoberfest discurses every year.

Whatever. I am tired of this. I just don't give a damn any more over this political nightmares. The only thing I would appreciate, as a nice detail, is the acknowledgment: you cannot keep us here any more? Fine. Say it. JUST DAMN SAY IT. Take the step. Show to the world that you could not even manage to integrate 13k of willing professionals. Tell that your fair system is so strictly perfect that it becomes absurd.

There is one last barrier for me: I still believe that the system, Germany as a whole, is worth all this struggle. Somehow I still do. I also still believe that "rejection" means unability to deal with the unexpected within the frame of this hyper-structured, over-organized moods of the society. I have not -yet- believed that this is in fact meaning WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE (which will be terrible) but rather, WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE IT. Even then, I would expect a sincere "Sorry guys".

Will I break that last line of defense? I don't know. Sometimes I hope not. In any case, if that day comes I'm dead sure out of here.

Exhasperated,

Diego aka Sudaca.

SudSud

Member since 16/02/2004

 

Posted on 06/05/2004 4:36 pm

Re: Permanent Visa


kds, congratulations!
SudSud, great words... it was more then a conclusion...

mac

Member since 24/02/2004

 

Posted on 06/05/2004 5:49 pm

Re: Permanent Visa

What if the GC's spouse has a Arbeitsberechtigung after she successfully stayed here for 2 years. And she is working. If she can approach for PR as she has a Arbeitsberechtigung....


finally a new twist to this old topic

regards
jani

b_janardhan

Member since 20/04/2004

 

Posted on 07/05/2004 10:09 am

Re: Permanent Visa

HI Kds,
Congratulations...
Jelda

jelda

Member since 22/12/2003

 

Posted on 07/05/2004 10:19 am

Re: Permanent Visa

Congrats kamal!!
Do u mind in sharing the entire procedure for PR with us??

cheers
pramod.

pramod

Member since 28/11/2003

 

Posted on 08/05/2004 11:15 pm

Diego: My thoughts, exactly

Diego (or SudSud):
You are soo right.
Do you think you could put together an "open letter" of sorts with these thoughts of yours, which all of us who share your opinion (I'd say, all) could sign and then send it to Mr. Schröder (and, hopefully with Detlef's help, to the press) -- after all, he was the one who personally invited all of us here.
I have spoken with many "natives" (read: voters) on the subject, and there haven't been any reactions other than outrage at the situation we've been put in. After they got informed about that situation, that is. And that's where we should put some effort: raising the awareness about our problems in the German society. We need to be active, man. Publicly.

As a side thought: There have been several reports about, and interviews with, the GC #1 in the past months. I mean, his GreenCard is in a museum in Bonn, and he still plans to leave Germany. He has studied here, got a doctorate meanwhile, and has worked for several years in Germany -- as he puts it, employers on the other side ot the pool treasure German education and work experience... more than the Germans do. And he doesn't want to wait for the Ausländerbehörde to escort him to the airport. So he leaves. So much for the "case-by-case" basis.

To kds: Congratulations! You have been living here for more than 6 (not 5) years, I assume, as there is a text in SGB, explicitly stating that work done under the conditions of a special Verordnung (like IT-ArGV) should not be counted against the 60-month-social-security-paying term that gives you right of Arbeitsberechtigung. Or you got lucky. Either way, enjoy! But please don't forget to sign the open letter, if Diego decides to write it

Have a nice weekend!
Flado

flado

Member since 22/04/2004

 

Posted on 09/06/2004 4:52 pm

Re: Permanent Visa

Hi Kds,reddy,srikanth( and whoever knows about this) ,
I am also one who finished 5 yrs of work in germany - a mixture of normal work permit(2 yrs) + green card(3 yrs). I am curious to know about unbefristet Aufenthaltserlaubnis(I will call it uAU).What are the advantages of getting this uAU ? Also i read that to get this you need a unbefristet arbeitserlaubnis(i will call it uAR) which I dont have. Mine is a befristet arbeitserlaubnis. Can I ask for a uAR ? I have a feeling they may ask for a uAU when I ask for uAR. It is like a chicken and egg situation. Any thoughts/ideas ?

Gruß

gc2001

Member since 24/05/2004

 

Posted on 09/06/2004 5:12 pm

Permanent Visa

Hello to All GC's n non-GC's IT workforce,

Like Kds, today I also got my unbefristet Aufenthaltserlaubnis (in short PR). I also had the similar situation like his. I understand from the oficials at Auslanderamt that I should inform Arbietsamt about this and they should change the nature of my work permit.

I find this forum very informative and useful especially to the new comers. For me, there was no german language test. All my communications with them happened in English !

Good luck for the future PR aspirants and keep updating the forum with your personel experience.

anand3174

Member since 09/06/2004

 

Posted on 09/06/2004 5:39 pm

Re: Permanent Visa

Hi Anand,
Do you have any answer to my questions I posted? Or better can you give me your contact email or tel.no so that I can clarify some things.

regards

gc2001

Member since 24/05/2004