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Citizenship Germany
Posted on 06/03/2008 12:16 pm
Citizenship Germany
Hi All,
I have worked 7.5 years in Germany and have Niederlassungsearlaubnis since 4th Oct 2005. Now I have a job in Switzerland from April 2008 onwards and move to Geneva in 2-3 months. Can I still apply for German Citizenship? DO I have to give up my residence permit and work permit immideately after getting the same in Switzerland. Anybody has some experience in this or any Lawyer to recommend in Munich to clarify these things
cheers
djinns
Member since 27/01/2005
Posted on 11/03/2008 9:52 am
Re: Citizenship Germany
@djinns
Some words of wisdom......
1. If you want to stay away from germany for more that 6 months then you need NE-Daueraufenthalt EG.
2. There is no way you can avoid the list of documents I mentioned previously. And, if you apply after 1.9.2008 then you need to appear for Einbürgerungstest.
3. You can't apply for german citizenship while earning in a different country and paying taxes there.
4. You can register yourself as freelancer and maintain your residence in Germany and pay taxes here in Germany. Do you really want to pay 50% income tax compared to 22% in Switzerland? Not the mentions the full contribution of health insurance for your entire family.
5. There is possibility of getting Cross-border commuter permit (G-EC), that means you can work during the week in Switzerland and go back to Germany on weekends. Sadly, Geneva is not exactly on the german border.
http://www.zurich-...ent/work_permits.html
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Akshay
Member since 21/03/2005
Posted on 11/03/2008 12:05 pm
Re: Citizenship Germany
Thanks Akshay for your great advice
What is your opinion on the following situation...will this work??
1. I get a B permit of Switzerland
2. I already have Dauérhaft EG permit for Germany
4. I have unlimited contract from the Swiss company
4. I maintain my residence in Germany and pay full taxes in Germany till I get the citizenship (I see it as cost of getting citizenship). As a resident of Germany I will have to pay the taxes in Germany.
5. Since my German salary is matched by the Swiss company at least I will not loose too much)
Do you see any holes in it which can be taken care of or this idea is just bullocks and wont work
djinns
Member since 27/01/2005
Posted on 11/03/2008 12:44 pm
Re: Citizenship Germany
Hi djinns,
I donot think Switzerland is a right option to get to work and live. It was my own experience sometime ago along with few other colleagues. Trust me! You'll regret after sometime getting into that country. You may think you make money, but it is'nt true. You may think they would like strangers, that is'nt true either. Therefore the social life would snck. If you are rich already (like few germans live there already) then they might like you to live there to pay everything. I know it not just me, many colleagues lived and live there from past years. So think about it. You may pay little more tax in germany, but have at the same time socially secure, good healthcare and better treatement than swiss people treat you. Remember, in switzerland there is a far-right govt. in power and many things are changing. You need 13 years to live there to get NE and Citizenship! As i said, you'll remember my words couple of months or years later. Just think about it and here is the link from the RUNING Swiss Nationalists : www.svp.ch
So good luck!
Cheers,
Perfekt!
perfekt
Member since 01/10/2007
Posted on 11/03/2008 2:23 pm
Re: Citizenship Germany
@djinns
What Mr.Perfekt suggested is perfectly right. I would never move to Switzerland just because of more money. Switzerland can never match the level of security and tolerance we enjoy here in Germany. But.... if you are to leave Germany then you might as well leave with german passport 
The best solution to your problem would be to continue your current job for 3-4 months and ask your new employer to wait (give an excuse like 6 months notice period or project is half-way or company would suffer huge loss if you leave now... etc. etc.)
Meanwhile arrange all the required documents and leave germany the day you submit your completed application (but don't unregister immediately, once you get your passport only then unregister).
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Akshay
Member since 21/03/2005
Posted on 11/03/2008 7:38 pm
Re: Citizenship Germany
Why do you want to leave Germany and move to Swiss?Good job or Good salary? What are your future plans? If you are young and like to travel and work in different countries then having passport first is good.
How is your german language skills ?
I guess a lot would depend on your German skills. Else assume that you need to attend some classes in crunch time, which can dent your citizenship aspiration.
Moving to swiss and still trying for citizenship!! I would only do this if my swiss salary is more than double what i get in Germany, so that i can pay double taxes and maintain residence and at the same time surrendering my pension contribution till super age of 60.
Also i would not do this if i am not planning to stay in swiss for good. Because time is also an investment. You have already invested 7.5 yrs here.
This idea would have been ideal if your offer come from one of gulf country so that you pay tax only in one place i.e in Germany 
@Akshay,
what about police clearance if he immediatly move to swiss after submitting documents etc.
Also he needs to check his letter box every now and then for any unexpected requirement
subir79
Member since 16/07/2007
Posted on 12/03/2008 9:40 am
Re: Citizenship Germany
@subir79
There are no such police check done during the application process, but you need to maintain the address for incoming post.
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Akshay
Member since 21/03/2005
Posted on 13/03/2008 2:11 pm
Re: Citizenship Germany
Please advice:
My family has completed 9 years in germany .
German language is not up to the mark.
I read something about a rule that will apply on the applications submitted after sept.2008.
what is the change as compared to the rules today.
is there a way to avoid german B1 test.
Please advice.
havehope
Member since 23/07/2004
Posted on 13/03/2008 3:01 pm
Re: Citizenship Germany
Dear Havehope
you wanna live here and get passport but wanna avoid B1 test? FYI: for people living in Germany since many years as in your case B1 is not at all an issue, should be a cake walk. AFAIK there are no short cuts for the citizenship affair.
aryan
Member since 02/01/2004
Posted on 26/06/2008 1:59 pm
Re: Citizenship Germany
Hallo All!1
I am going to marry a german girl in few days and then I will go to austria for work later my wife will also join me. Will I get any residence permit of visa from Germany as my wife is german?
Nk
neeraj110011
Member since 26/06/2008
