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Posted on 18/11/2003 1:47 am

Donuts

I am going to tell you all a little story.

I had a friend sometimes. Every time when I (or someone from our college-team) wanted to say what I think and feel - honestly, there was a guy who was always trying to prove that his point of view was more logical, more better, more perfect than everyone else's. Every time when someone was trying to pursuade him that his oppinion is wrong, that someone went out of that conversaton hurted.

He always understood the world completely different from all of us. Even when he knew that he was wrong, he was against us all. Just to be the opposition. Sometimes he provocated an argue, and then he stood back and enjoyed his clever "I knew it!" attitude.

To cut the story short, this guy ended up selling donuts. On every generation meeting he was the main guy - the show man. We all knew that and everyone of us just hated sharing that same table with such a person, but then, we all did, because he was always coming on our annual meetings just to "show" us. At the end, he was selling donuts and because of that he had the right to be the prettiest, the smartest, the loudest, the BIG SHOT! We were all "only" engineers, doctors, professors that anyway do not know anything about "real life" and for God's sake, he is the one "with the life experiance and wisdom" and therefore his "street knowledge" might be usefull to some of us sometimes.

But when the show was over, he was just an ordinary guy with rethoric that hurts, but do not have the strength of an arguments.

Marc has the right to have his own oppinion. Of course... I respect that. But he is wrong. Not even a single word that he speaks is on the spot and I do not want to argue with such a person, because I am not a little kid whose favorite toy was taken by some little girl and now the mummy must come to sort things out.

So people - I didn't leave the site. I just moved myself to a chat topic that I set up and in the future I will be there awaiting for a German conversation with JODDY for example. ))

Marc, are you in the mood to join us in German? I will be happy to see you writing there.

Detlev, I do not want to open my company. Even if I do, that will be something that has nothing to do with Engineering. I will probably open a little French-like Cafeteria where I am going to sit every morning, drink my cofee and read my favorite newspaper. From time to time I like donuts with Capuccino.

Maybe I will employ someone who makes "the best" donuts in the world and who will "show everyone" that making donuts is really "an art" comparing to everything what we do here.

Just kidding (about donut part in last sentence, of course ).

Best regards.

D.

dejand

Member since 18/11/2003

 

Posted on 30/11/2003 3:54 pm

Re: Donuts



Your answer reflect the tolerance that you have to other opinnions.

Thscuss.

D.

dejand

Member since 18/11/2003

 

Posted on 30/11/2003 6:35 pm

Tolerance and lethargy

Dejan - now two people pointed out to you how highly inappropriate your style of discussion is. I don't really see the point you're trying to make here with all this talk about German history and I guess nobody else gets your message.

Everyone here is entitled to have their own opinion. Opinions are for example "All Greencard holders and future applicants should get permanent residence immediately", "BMW builds the best and greatest cars, especially the M3." or "I have seen bad code written by German / Chinese / Indian / Croatian /... SW engineers and therefore I don't like the quality of their work in general.".

These are all valid opinions, even though not everyone agrees with some or all of them. However stating that "GC holders are marked like Jews in WW II" is not an opinion which opens any scope for discussion. It's a factual statement which is so obviously far away from the truth that only the strongest objections are appropriate.

This is not about tolerance, it's predominantly about a decent style of discussion and respect towards the victims of historic crimes against humanity.

Marc

Marc-OS

Member since 22/11/2003

 

Posted on 01/12/2003 10:40 am

Just my opinion

Well I was reading this conversation and I think that this is going nowhere.

I come from Eastern Europe (Serbia) and to be honest I hope that I can stay here longer then 5 years but when I applied for "Green card" I was aware that there is limit of 5 years and nobody forced me to come here if I do not want to accept that fact.

I am little tired of blaming German government because they did not speak (yet) about "Green card" people. If they change something in future cool for us but if they do not that was known from beginning.

Off course, I believe that we have to fight for that possibility to stay over 5 years and not to waste our time in writting messages which will lead nowhere.

I know that if I can not stay here longer I will go back to my country or I will go somewhere where I can have life without some limitations but that will be also my decission like it was to come here.

Concerning job, I changed two jobs, my friend changed 3 jobs so it is not impossible to find new job. It is not easy but not impossible.

Few times I was in situation that some official persons were rude to me but I did not allow that and I replied sharply and they change their attitude. Point is to respect yourself and then others will respect you also and not to come in official offices looking down without guts to fight for you rights.

Also think how our officials will treat foreginers ? I have friends who are from Greece and they study in Belgrade and I know that it is not easy for them to work with our officials (often this is not easy even for us ). I agree with Dejan who comes from same or similar country like me that in out part of world it is much warmer then here but we can not change the worl, right ?

Bye

Dracus

Member since 01/12/2003

 

Posted on 09/01/2004 8:07 pm

Questions on Globalization

Hello All,

I don't know why I have developed this tendency to throw petrol on the fire, but I have been left with some questions:

If a GC works for a german company working on a product that is only sold abroad, Is he earning the money "here" or "there"?

If a company employs a "cheap" GC to make a product, that is also made in india with even "cheaper" programmers, is he stealing someone's position?

Would a a programmer really prefer to be unemployed rather than earn less?

Of course, this are all very ambiguous questions that vary a lot when it comes to the details, but i hope the answers will provide me some insight.

cheers,
Alex

aalvarez

Member since 09/01/2004

 

Posted on 10/01/2004 7:59 pm

Globalisation

Hi Alex,

I don't know where you aiming at with these questions but I've got the feeling that the terms 'eaning' and 'stealing' are somehow used in a weird context here.

No qualified IT specialist would prefer to be unemployed over accepting work paid at a lower rate. Everyone would know extended times out of work are a career-killer damaging future prospects in the employment market.

Marc

Marc-OS

Member since 22/11/2003

 

Posted on 11/01/2004 9:10 am

Globalization

Hi
This is the sick behaviour of the industrialized west countries.
They are very happy when they sell their products to third world without(or low) customs regulations. (which effects severely the job-market and industry of that third world country)
But they are really hesitant when it comes to accepting workers from that third world countries.
Hey guys, come on where is the main theory of "Free Market Economy" the free movement of goods and LABOUR ?
This is what happened to my country as an EU member candidate. We were forced to remove any customs regulations against EU Member states around 10 years ago.. far before we even became a candidate(part of the EU-integration period as they told us.. we stupids beleived that or forced to beleive that). EU is now enjoying the trade with my country(which is a very big market) but the citizens of this country still need visa even for a 1 week visit to an EU country.. ? (we never know when we will even become a member.. some people say never.. some say 2020.. )
so.. please tell me, if this is not an exploiting that country ? then what is it ?
in short, Globilization is the new name that hungry west capitalism found for "colonilization" and they are not playing this "Globilization" game fair at all because their opponents are relatively weak in power.
Regards

Lacrima

lacrima

Member since 14/11/2003

 

Posted on 11/01/2004 11:22 am

Globalization

Lacrima,

I presume the trade agreements between the EU and the nameless country you mentioned are mutual? Usually the cost for producing goods is lower in the underdeveloped country while its higher in the industrialised country. Therefore it's probably beneficial for your country to have access to the EU as an export market as well?

Which country is it your talking about?

Marc


Marc-OS

Member since 22/11/2003

 

Posted on 12/01/2004 9:47 am

Globalization

Marc,
No need to mention name.. there is only one country which fits the specific details that I gave above regarding EU relations. If you are still not able to guess it.. then I will tell you the name..
Regarding your answer.. yes it is true.. these trade agreements are mutual so you think this makes it fair ?
Let me explain...
Such third world countries usually have inmature industries although they have cheap labour. They are usually unable to produce "real value added" goods. They export raw material and import expensive "value added" goods. They do not have the innovation in their industry and they usually imitate the already-there industry.
Ok.. I accept this situation is not the fault of industrialized countries(oh.. maybe it is, if we can go back enough in the history.. times of colonization) but this is doesnt stop them to take advantage of the fact by forcing them to some trade agreements in the name of globalization.
We all know how G-7 behaves when third world asked them to remove the governmental support (where is market economy ?)
to their Farmers (in the area of Agriculture) and to open their Agriculture Market to third world ? the answer was simple and clear : "No"
Why third world can not do the same for G-7's "value added products" is the big unfairness that resides in this whole thing..
So you can name it G-7 -> third world, EU -> my country
it is all the same story.. that is also why I dont want to mention name.. name of the country is irrelevant in the context.
Regards
Lacrima

lacrima

Member since 14/11/2003

 

Posted on 12/01/2004 12:51 pm

agriculture subsidies

I never understood the full reasoning behind the agriculture subsidies paid out by the EU. When following public discussion on this topic in Germany you'll probably find that peope in general are not sympathetic towards the payment of agriculture subsidies. I think the French are the strongest promoters within the EU.

The EU has little interest in "tricking" any country into releasing trade barrier and then delaying their entry into the community. With this particular country you're talking about it's said to be the unresolved human rights issues causing the EU to put the process on hold. I consider this to be a rather positive "attitude" of the EU and likewise if they integrated Turkey now, everyone would rightly point out how the EU does not value human rights and is biased towards economic and strategic-geographic interests.

Regards

Marc

Marc-OS

Member since 22/11/2003

 

Posted on 13/01/2004 4:54 pm

Re: Donuts

if you're from Eastern europe, then what colonization? If you're from Turkey, they same question again. Other than that, if you think a trade agreement doesn't benefit you, don't sign it.
But probably it's more like a mutual "most favoured nation clause".

usually trade barriers are errected to protect an industry which produces similar products at a higher cost, but is a huge employer (like steel). agriculture is still employing quite a few ppl in the EU (mostly southern countries), so it makes sense to reasonably protect those farmers from overseas competition.
if germany sells cars to namibia, it doesn't make sense for namibia to impose tariffs on cars because there is no car industry in namibia to protect. now if namibia wants to sell potatoes to germany, it's a bad idea for germany to include potatoes in the trade agreement since it is produced locally to a certain extent. it makes sense however to exempt diamons from import tax since there is no diamond mining industry in germany and it benfits nobody having those goods taxed.

so if the third world country goes and imposes import taxes on "value added good" which it cannot and will not produce itself it's nothing more than a retaliatory measure for not having tariffs on potatoes removed. if 50% of the national export is potatoes then though luck. i'd rather pay 3 times the potatoe price if it keeps a few tens of thousend ppl employed, which, with their money, are potential buyers for the products of my work and thus keep me employed.

Pengoon

Member since 13/01/2004

 

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