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NE
Posted on 09/09/2009 8:55 pm
NE
Dear Frnds,
I got a job in Germany which is more than 65.000 Euro Pro Jahre. Can I apply directly for NE in my birth country or should I apply once I arrive in Germany? Which way I can make? I have no Idea whether this is possible or not. Please answer to me.
Thanks,
Akil.
Akil2k9
Member since 01/09/2009
Posted on 10/09/2009 1:32 am
Re: NE
Hi Akil,
Sitaroun say aggay jehan aour bhi hain
abhi ishq kay imtehan aour bhi hain
Just wait brother, yeh jo activeness hay na, would be very cool soon as you are here.
Array bhai, in your age and your stage you should ask about German language course, about future in Germany, about career, you directly asking NE.(Dear ,dont' mind at all ok 
, because after 7 years you'll say yourself, "Jalal kehta to theek tha"
.
Welcome to Germany.
Jalal.
jalal
Member since 15/12/2003
Posted on 10/09/2009 4:01 am
Re: NE
Hi Jalal,
Thanks for the reply.
I am not new or fresh buddy to Germany but frankly speaking unfamiliar with NE. I studied and worked in Germany for more than 3 years as mentioned in other thread.
So would defenitely think there is no greedy in finding about the NE.
Anyhow very thanks.
Rgds,
Akil.
Akil2k9
Member since 01/09/2009
Posted on 10/09/2009 8:51 am
Re: NE
There is rule you have to go to your embassy and make aplication for NE not in Germany. Good luck!
Pandey99
Member since 03/12/2008
Posted on 10/09/2009 11:42 am
Re: NE
If you dont have too much time before you start your job, the fastest way would be following:
1. Take normal Arbeitserlaubnis there in India or whereever
2. Come here and apply for NE under para 19 (Highly qualified)
Reason is, if you apply directly for NE, it will take longer time because only the background check in Germany takes about 4 weeks. In case of a normal AE your documents would be sent to Arbeitsamt (takes about 10-20 days depending on which city. Munich is less than 10 days) in Germany but not through this strict security check (Verfassungsschutz)
If you have lets say 2 months + time, I would apply for NE because its a secure title and there is no check from Arbeitsamt. So basically Arbeitsamt checks if there is equivalent German etc for the job and this wont happen in §19 Niederlassungserlaubnis.
One more suggestion if you do decide to apply for NE from India or somewhere, try to get a nice letter from your future company saying why you are highly qualified and why they took you. This always helps to make a strong case.
The rule - http://bundesrecht...fenthg_2004/__19.html
---------------------------------sample letter for software company _____
Betreff: Niederlassungserlaubnis für Herrn XXX
Sehr geehrte Damen, Sehr geehrte Herren,
unser Mitarbeiter Herr XXXhat bei Ihrer Behörde den Antrag für die unbefristete Arbeits- und Aufenthaltserlaubnis (Niederlassungserlaubnis) für Hochqualifizierte gemäß §19 Aufenthaltsgesetz gestellt. Um seinen Antrag zu bekräftigen, schicken wir Ihnen eine kurze Beschreibung unseres Aufgabenbereichs und der jetzigen Tätigkeiten von Herrn XXX.
Herr XXX ist in der AbteilungXXX als XXX tätig. Der Bereich XXXführt sehr ambitionierte und erfolgreiche IT Projekte in Bereichen XXX durch. Dabei unterstützen wir unsere nationalen und internationalen Kunden beginnend bei der Lösungskonzeption über die Realisierung bis hin zur Produktivsetzung und anschließender Nachbetreuung/Optimierung unserer Software Lösungen. Die jetzige Aufgaben von Herrn XXX beinhanlten unter anderem:
• JOB TASKS
Für einen Job als XXX in unserem Aufgabenbereich setzen wir unter anderem folgende Fähigkeiten und Qualifikationen voraus:
• Wünschenswert ist Auslandsstudium und internationale Berufserfahrung
• Sehr guten Studiumabschluss in einer naturwissenschaftlichen,wirtschaftswissenschaftlichen Fachrichtung oder Informatik
• Fundierte Fachkenntnisse in der Prozessanalyse, -design, Konzeption und Implementierung von Geschäftsprozessen - auf Basis entsprechender IT-Kenntnisse
• Erfahrung in Beratungs- und Implementierungsprojekten im Bereich der Produktionsplanung und -steuerung
• Hohe Kundenorientierung sowie analytisches Denkvermögen
• Ausgeprägte und angewandte Kommunikations- und Präsentationsfähigkeiten in Deutsch, Englisch oder anderen Fremdsprachen
Aufgrund seiner zwei erfolgreich abgeschlossenen Studiengänge (XXX), seiner besonderen Berufserfahrung in der XXX, seines internationalen Profils mit Auslandsprojekterfahrung und Sprachkenntnisse in Deutsch, Englisch und Hindi wurde Herr XXX in Juli 2008 in unserer Firma als XXX eingestellt. Seitdem hat Herr XXX eine umfangreiche Weiterbildung im Bereich XXX gemacht und ist vollständiges Mitglied unseres Teams.
Mit den oben gennanten Argumenten unterstützen wir den Antrag von Herrn XXX und hoffen auf Ihre Unterstützung. Für weitere Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
i.A.
jivankitalaash
Member since 06/09/2009
Posted on 10/09/2009 12:22 pm
Re: NE
Outside Germany, any visa to Germany is always a temporary resident permit (90days) which upon arrival needs to be renewed as regular permit.
For NE, its the same.
Moreover for NE as high qualified, one has to prove the salary and a letter from the company why he/she is highly qualified.
I doubt if a company would provide it during the probation and atleast the ABH needs 3 months of payslips ..
so it all makes you to work in the firm for some time and then fulfill the requirements implicitly.
Asking for NE in the birth country would raise eyebrows for the officers at consulate
cheers
raj
rajendrak
Member since 23/06/2008
Posted on 10/09/2009 12:57 pm
Re: NE
''Outside Germany, any visa to Germany is always a temporary resident permit (90days) which upon arrival needs to be renewed as regular permit.''
Thinking about this, I think it is correct. I didnt think about this.
I think the company will give you a letter without any problem if you tell them cleverly that it will save them work in the future of helping in extensing normal AE.
As far as 3 months payslips is concerned, no you dont need them if you apply in the very beginning. I asked in the AB Munich and they said that the rule is also meant for people who come here new and have no payslips. You need a copy of your contract and something called Arbeitgeberbestätigung which says that you have a permanent job, salary etc.
Yes but a basic condition for getting a permanent residence or actually even workpermmit ist that you have a secured economical background. And here the AB can say that because you are in the probabtion period and we are not sure about it.
I would suggest that you apply for a normal AE, come here and apply for NE ASAP (which converting into regular AE, tell them you want NE and give them all the documents). They will do it if possible.
These things depend a lot on the clerk in the AB, the city etc. We can only speculate how they will react but how it really is, can be understood only here.
Which city are you coming too.
jivankitalaash
Member since 06/09/2009
Posted on 10/09/2009 5:52 pm
Re: NE
Hi Frnds,
Thank you all for your very positive and supporting answers.
I got the job in Berlin and would be coming to Berlin.
I would do as you suggest like initially going for AE and later for NE.
Thanks again.
Akil.
Akil2k9
Member since 01/09/2009
Posted on 05/10/2009 2:46 pm
Re: NE
Hi all
I have a question and I was wondering some one can help me. I am living since 2001 in Germany and I in 2006 I got divorced with my German national wife. at that time I applied for a NE but they have told me that now you are divorced so we can not give you a visa, later I told them that I have a daughter and she lives with my ex wife, on that they started asking different papers etc. and I used to get every three months a fictionbescheinigung. now my ex wife moved to Austria with my daughter and my current visa on fictionbescheinigung will end middle of November 2009.
I thought to apply nationality as I thought that with Einburgerung test or integration test I need 7 years and in November of this year it will be 8 years, but I heard from some one that a fictionbescheinigung is not a visa is a kind of Duldung and they do not count this time if you want to apply for a NE or nationality ? is this correct ? What can I do in this case ?
Thanks
Thomasanderson
Member since 05/10/2009
Posted on 05/10/2009 3:14 pm
Re: NE
@Thomas
You must contact a lawyer specialising in Auslanderrecht & Familierecht immediately. Since your wife has moved out of germany, i think with duldung, your resident permit is in jeopardy. Act fast.
raj
Member since 27/01/2004
Posted on 05/10/2009 3:57 pm
Re: NE
Thanks for message. I think I should get a lawyer, but can you tell me as I am still not sure that fictionbescheinigung is a duldung too. I heard it but I am not sure its the same thing.
Thomasanderson
Member since 05/10/2009
