Posted on 29/11/2005 6:35 pm

working in swiss

Wondering how working at switzerland is different(or comparable) from working at germany. What are the pros and cons at two places? Apart from high cost of living in swiss, what are the other factors to be thought of before making a move.
Would like to hear ur opinions reg. the same.

Cheers,
blues

Posted on 30/11/2005 2:43 pm

Re: working in swiss

"they kick you out for next few years just to be sure that you never reach enough years to stay"
but I thought it was never possible to stay, as "you can never get a permanent residence in swiss even if you are there 100 years".

D.

Posted on 30/11/2005 5:16 pm

Re: working in swiss

The rule says after 10 years one can get permanent residence for non-eu citizens. But this is good option for those who want to return home after making fast buck (salaries are good) in 3-4 years.

Cheers,
blues

Posted on 02/12/2005 11:51 am

Re: working in swiss

@blueshari:

Yes the cost of living in Swiss is high and so are the salaries. At the end there is not MUCH difference between saving in DE and CH.

The people are very very nice and open. English is spoken everywhere You go. CH Economy is doing very well and there is an overall high feeling of security and prosperity. Apart from that it is a very beautiful country, with lakes, mountains etc. My last 4 months were spent working in CH.

For Your comment on making quick bucks: Salaries are high in CH so is cost of living. At the end, there won't be a lot difference between what You can save in DE and CH.

@DvD:

Non-EU national gets CH PR in 8 years. I just spoke to my Turkish colleague who is from Zurich office and has been living there since 4.5 years now.

@pwehrli:

I am very surprised to hear about Your comments on discrimination in CH and must admit that You are the first person I have ever heard saying that. Swiss people in general are very open minded, warm and helpful. In those 4 months (and in my previous visits) I stayed there, I never ever experienced any kind of discrimination.

I do not argue that there is no discrimination in CH but discrimination exists even in Canada where immmigrants are the majority. Don't expect not to be discriminized anywhere else apart from Your own home.

I met soo many Germans who have moved to CH and have been living there since past couple of years. I asked them why they moved away from their own home to CH. Their answer was : Economics well being in CH, Swiss attitude to make things happen together (thanks to their special voting system on even the smallest issue) and its beautiful landscape. Its worth living there atleast once, even if it is only for few months.

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Posted on 03/12/2005 10:39 pm

Re: working in swiss

"you can never get a permanent residence in swiss even if you are there 100 years."

8 years. but you will not get a work permit for those 8 years if you are not an EU-citizen, so it doesn't matter

lol there exist some other possibilities of course. for example those guys from "Fremdenpolizei" surely thought it to be very funny when they told me that i can visit Switzerland without any pass for 8 days if some company will invite me. they of course didn't take into consideration a simple fact that they will never be able to get rid of me, if i tell the officials here that i will have nothing against them if they revoke my german residence permit once i cross the border ...

Posted on 04/12/2005 12:19 am

Re: working in swiss

"so 10 (ten) years."

yep you are right, it has changed. and here is why those 8 days were mentioned *lol*:

b) Erwerbstätigkeit ohne Stellenantritt

Begriff: Als Erwerbstätigkeit ohne Stellenantritt gilt die selbständige Erwerbstätigkeit oder die Tätigkeit für einen Arbeitgeber mit Sitz im Ausland. Darunter fallen insbesondere ausländische Dienstleistungserbringende (z. B. Handelsreisende, Warenlieferantinnen und -lieferanten, Monteurinnen und Monteure, Ausstellerinnen und Aussteller), die eine grenzüberschreitende Dienstleistung in der Schweiz erbringen.

Bewilligungspflicht: Bei einer Erwerbstätigkeit ohne Stellenantritt beträgt die Anmeldefrist acht Tage (8-Tage-Regelung). Eine Aufenthaltsbewilligung ist erst dann erforderlich, wenn die Tätigkeit während mehr als 8 Tagen innerhalb eines Zeitraums von neunzig Tagen ausgeübt wird. Die rechtmässig eingereiste ausländische Person darf sich nach richtig erfolgter Anmeldung (ausnahmsweise länger als 8 Tage) bis zum Entscheid über das Gesuch in der Schweiz aufhalten.

that's really stupid, 8 days are enough only when you manufacture something that swiss industry really needs. for freelancer - not a way unless he does what i described above