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NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Posted on 13/01/2007 9:29 am
NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Dear All,
What about the new law, if some one gets anual salary >63000 Euro can get NE?
How is it calculated, does it including urlaub and weinacht geld.
Thanks and regards-
ASM
ASM
Member since 25/06/2004
Posted on 18/12/2008 3:51 pm
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
<i>The law will be effective on 1st of January, 10 days left and still not clarified. I need this law so that I can inform my HR, because in Germany all companies will fire the foreign people who do not have unlimited permit in this crisis. My company is firing a lot of people now.</i>
Hi,
I don't think that is a fair statement you put there.
As long as you have unlimited contract you can get your visa extension..
and to fire people they mostly look at how long an employee is with the company apart from other performance reasons.
If you think you can be fired(hope not) based on not having an unlimited visa, thats kind of ridiculous.
After all the we can only wait for the law 
cheers
rajendrak
Member since 23/06/2008
Posted on 18/12/2008 4:55 pm
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
I wrote:
The law will be effective on 1st of January, 10 days left and still not clarified. I need this law so that I can inform my HR, because in Germany all companies will fire the foreign people who do not have unlimited permit in this crisis. My company is firing a lot of people now.
rajendrak wrote:
I don't think that is a fair statement you put there.
As long as you have unlimited contract you can get your visa extension.. and to fire people they mostly look at how long an employee is with the company apart from other performance reasons.
What is not fair? It does not matter whether you have an unlimited contract or not. If there is world crisis and if people must be fired, if the company wants to fire people, or if there is Sozialplan, then nobody cares what you have. You will be just fired.
If you think you can be fired(hope not) based on not having an unlimited visa, thats kind of ridiculous.
You might find ridiculuous but I see around in the big companies the foreigners are fired first, no matter if they have unlimited contract or not, no matter if they have unlimited residence permit or not.
Now in this case, if you don't have unlimited residence permit, you must go to Arbeitsamt, which is really annoying. And you are not eligible to stay in Germany forever. In this crisis it is extremely difficult to find a job because next year a lot of people will jobless.
After all the we can only wait for the law cheers.
Yes, it has been neverending story.. Only 10 days left before the law must be effective and still the things are not clear.
Klenze17.
klenze17
Member since 30/12/2004
Posted on 20/12/2008 10:04 am
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Law PASSED! Bundesrat approved the law finally:
http://www.bundest...rueckblick/index.html
Der Bundestag stimmte den Einigungsvorschlägen des Vermittlungsausschusses zum Arbeitsmigrationssteuerungsgesetz (16/11390), zum BKA-Gesetz (16/11391) und zum Familienleistungsgesetz mit der damit verbundenen Erhöhung des Kindergeldes (16/11392) zu. Am 19. Dezember gab auch der Bundesrat\ seine Zustimmung, die er diesen Gesetzen zunächst verweigert hatte.
16/11390 is the decision of the commission for the law which regulates the minimum salary for NE $19.
84K for NE $19 has been now officially history!
Klenze17.
klenze17
Member since 30/12/2004
Posted on 20/12/2008 10:21 am
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Great News indeed!!! It couldn't have come on a better time for me, having spent almost 2 hrs this morning to rescue my laptop from the evil clutches of Antivirus 360 (a real pain in ass).
Thanks a lot Klenze17 for keeping us updated with this good info.
Cheers.
EssKay
Member since 05/06/2008
Posted on 20/12/2008 10:58 am
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Great News indeed!!! It couldn't have come on a better time for me, having spent almost 2 hrs this morning to rescue my laptop from the evil clutches of Antivirus 360 (a real pain in ass).
Yes, it is really great news!! I hope we get NE immediatiely, without waiting for regular NE time. In this crisis nobody guarantees work. NE is the only survival now in Germany. And this law will give NE immediately.
Since the change is a very special part of the law, I am pretty sure that it will be very problematic with officials at local authorities (Ausländerbehörde Beamten). They will resist mostly, I am pretty sure. Because in this crisis a lot of foreigners will be jobless and therefore they might not correctly process our cases, among so many jobless foreigners in 2009.
Therefore I strongly advise to talk with a lawyer. I will soon print all the law changes to use a print-copy to both the Ausländebehörde and the lawyer.
Thanks a lot Klenze17 for keeping us updated with this good info.
This stuff is extremely difficult to find in the press because almost no press comment on this law. The reason seems to be that even there are very few foreigners in Germany who get this 63K. Very few news published in the press recently.
Therefore I had to follow decisions, commissions at the parliament, every day.
There is no leading case for this law change! I would propose to wait until first week of January.
I ask all Trust7 members who might get NE wrt 63.600 Euro to share their experiences. We need a leading case for this, what to do next.
We might need professional support this. Detlef, is there any activity on your side for this?
Very good New Year gift!!!!!
Klenze17
klenze17
Member since 30/12/2004
Posted on 20/12/2008 12:16 pm
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Great news just before holiday season.
@Klenze17,
Does this change effects for the annual salary >63k or >53k?
Thanks,
Suresh
sgattu
Member since 19/07/2005
Posted on 20/12/2008 12:33 pm
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Suresh asks:
Does this change effects for the annual salary >63k or >53k?
It will be 63K after 01.01.2009. Bundesrat's proposal to reduce 53K was not approved. Only people having an annual salary of higher than 63K will be granted to this NE.
And only "high-qualified people". Not everyone. For example, freelancers cannot get it. I heard people in finance sectors cannot get it. Only people having electronics/computer/mechanical maybe chemical engineering and Ex-Greencard'lers will get this NE.
But we need a leading case for this.
For whom it may concern:
This law item will be changed:
http://www.aufenth.../aufenthaltsg.html#19
law change is here:
http://www.bmi.bun...smigrationsgesetz.pdf
Changed sentence:
In § 19 Abs. 2 Nr. 3 werden die Wörter „dem Doppelten der Beitragsbemessungsgrenze
der gesetzlichen Krankenversicherung“ durch die Wörter „der Beitragsbemessungsgrenze
der allgemeinen Rentenversicherung“ ersetzt.
This is 63.600 Euro for 2008, 64.800 for 2009. Therefore we must apply for this as soon as possible.
Klenze17.
klenze17
Member since 30/12/2004
Posted on 20/12/2008 12:46 pm
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Hi,
first of all I want to thank you, Klenze17, for providing us this very important information!!!!
I read my newspaper every day, especially the political and economy parts, but I did not read one word about this!
I also agree with you about your view of the upcoming problems.
Regarding the new possibilities I will talk to Katja from VPMK about a special offer for trust7 members, to get NE easy
Thanks again
Detlef
trust7
Member since 23/09/2004
Posted on 20/12/2008 2:19 pm
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
This is 63.600 Euro for 2008, 64.800 for 2009. Therefore we must apply for this as soon as possible.
Are you trying to say that one can use the limit 63.600 instead of 64.800 when he manages to apply before 1.1.2009 ?
If it is 64.800 for 2009 then that will be the valid number for the law which will become effective after 1.1.2009. I don't think that you can apply now by referencing a law which didn't become effective yet. So the number 63.600 shouldn't be considered in the context of this law, as it is only for 2008.
Regards,
Lacrima
lacrima
Member since 14/11/2003
Posted on 20/12/2008 2:34 pm
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
I wrote:
This is 63.600 Euro for 2008, 64.800 for 2009. Therefore we must apply for this as soon as possible.
Lacrima asked:
Are you trying to say that one can use the limit 63.600 instead of 64.800 when he manages to apply before 1.1.2009 ?
If it is 64.800 for 2009 then that will be the valid number for the law which will become effective after 1.1.2009. I don't think that you can apply now by referencing a law which didn't become effective yet. So the number 63.600 shouldn't be considered in the context of this law, as it is only for 2008.
Thanks for pointing this, Lacrima. This is a very important point that needs to be clarified.
Technically speaking, since the law becomes effective on 01.01.2009, applications can be run only in 2009. So principially 64.800 Euro for 2009 can be taken as reference.
However when someone applies, he or she must prove that he got this salary. This can be done through confirmation from the finance institutions like Finanzamt. They can however give only a printout of 2008, not 2009, because 2009 data has not been collected for the worker.
So according my to the logic above, 2008 measurements must be taken as reference NE$19 applications in 2009. In other words, for applications in 2009, 63.600 Euro for 2008 must be considered.
I might be wrong, but my logic says this is reasonable. I think Detlef or another professional person can help us more.
Klenze17.
klenze17
Member since 30/12/2004
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