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NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Posted on 13/01/2007 9:29 am
NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Dear All,
What about the new law, if some one gets anual salary >63000 Euro can get NE?
How is it calculated, does it including urlaub and weinacht geld.
Thanks and regards-
ASM
ASM
Member since 25/06/2004
Posted on 28/11/2008 10:06 pm
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
http://www.bundesr...icationFile.pdf/4.pdf
and
http://www.pressre...=jour_pm&quelle=0
klenze17
Member since 30/12/2004
Posted on 01/12/2008 6:52 pm
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Announcement from Bundesrat:
http://www.bundest...politik/22908287.html
Bundesrat insists on reducing the recently change minimum gross annual salary of 63.600 Euro down to 53.400 Euro. The government declared before this salary too low to give unlimited residence permit.
Bundesrat and the government are still discussing on this. It is just 1 month left to 1st of January, when the law should be effective. Last Sunday there was a comment in Frankfurter Allgemeine that the law in these conditions would not be effective in 1st of January because still continuing discussions.
I am afraid it will go to another vote in the Bundestag. No matter what happens, I wish that the salary of 86.400 Euro in the law would be decreased to a reasonable level.
There are several statistical publications from the state that there were very, very few foreigners who took NE wrt AuthenhG $19.
In this crisis I think 53.400 is reasonable. But after the downturn this limit must be increased again.
30 days left to 1st of January and we are still waiting for a stable status!
Klenze17.
klenze17
Member since 30/12/2004
Posted on 02/12/2008 1:18 pm
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Hi everybody:
Just a question about this subject...it seems to me that even if the law changes and reduces the minimum yearly salary, those who are already in DE won't be able to apply for NE because the §19 states that this apply to foreigners arriving to DE...
I will be given a rise in salary that will push me above the limit of >63000 but I don't think I'll be able to apply since I've been here already for several years...can someone comment on this?
may the peace be in your soul
Ary
arianna
Member since 01/03/2006
Posted on 02/12/2008 1:36 pm
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
This is not true.
There are people, like rajeshspg and havehope, who got NE $19, after they have come to DE. If they had given that only to the people who are arriving in DE, that would have been too ineffective, because there are very few people who have come to Germany in the recent years.
This law is effective for everyone who can prove in written form (contract or finance authorities) that he or she can earn 63.600 Euro (or 53.400 Euro if they change it).
Klenze17.
klenze17
Member since 30/12/2004
Posted on 02/12/2008 5:08 pm
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
I want to make one point clearer:
Not all the people whose salary is higher 63.600 will have right to get this permit.
Only the people under the description "hochqualifizierte auslaendische Fachkraefte". Ex-Greencard'ler match this description. All computer, electrical, mechanical engineers and IT-specialists.
Not everyone.
Klenze17.
klenze17
Member since 30/12/2004
Posted on 08/12/2008 1:46 am
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Vermittlungsausschuss (advisory committee) will hold a meeting on 17th of December to discuss the Bundesrat's objection on the minimum gross annual income for NE $19:
http://www.bundesr...-2008.html?__nnn=true
Bundesrat wants to reduce the salary to 53K. Government wanted 63K.
The committee members are 50% from Bundesrat and 50% from Bundestag (parliament). If the committee decision is the same as Bundesrat, the government must reformulate the law and it must be voted in Bundestag again.
On the one hand, reducing the salary is good but on the other hand the process will take so long that it will not be effective on 01.01.2009, stated by the law. This will be then very close to the Elections in June 2009, and might be void...
A lot of qualified people in Germany are waiting for a stable status of this law. The crisis is hitting everywhere in Europe, people are getting jobless. All state bodies (Bundesrat, Bundestag, government and this committee) must be very fast. If this law will not be effective as soon as possible, in 2009 a lot of us will be jobless!
Klenze17.
klenze17
Member since 30/12/2004
Posted on 17/12/2008 9:59 pm
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Today the Vermittlungsausschuss (commission in the parliament) has got a meeting and still not decided what to do with the minimal salary to give the unlimited work/residence permit to the qualified foreigners. They did not decide yet whether 63K or 53K must be the minimum annual gross income to give the high-qualified foreigners unlimited work/residence permit.
However the Vermittlungsauschuss has decided to reduce the minimum amount of money to be invested by the freelancer to found a company, to give an unlimited residence permit. They reduced this amount from 500.000 Euro to 250.000 Euro.
Vermittlungsausschuss will held another meeting on 19.12.2008 to discuss the minimum salary for unlimited residence permit.
In this global crisis I am sure nobody has interest on 250.000 Euro/500.000 Euro stuff. Instead, if you concentrate on unlimited permit of the people, they even can be then freelancer with no money restriction.
Germany is very slow... Foreign investments are overseen.. Every second, minute is a loss for Germany.
2009 will be a very bad year. It still surprises me that still nobody has commented on this. A lot of forum members will be jobless in 2009.
Klenze17.
klenze17
Member since 30/12/2004
Posted on 18/12/2008 8:00 am
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
"2009 will be a very bad year. It still surprises me that still nobody has commented on this. A lot of forum members will be jobless in 2009.
"
Hi Klenze17 - Happy new year 2009 to you too! 
t7user
Member since 06/09/2006
Posted on 18/12/2008 9:48 am
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
@klenze
I dont understand why you are so fixed up on this particular part of the legislation. Forget about it, concentrate on your survival. When are you eligible for normal NE? I think you should already have BE.
raj
Member since 27/01/2004
Posted on 18/12/2008 11:55 am
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
raj asks:
I dont understand why you are so fixed up on this particular part of the legislation. Forget about it, concentrate on your survival. When are you eligible for normal NE? I think you should already have BE.
Raj, I don't know whether you have NE or not, but this law change is a very good improvement for the foreign people, because it will give the NE immediatetly. This is the best law since Greencard. Therefore it is especially important for all of us.
I am a GCler who came to Germany end of December 2004 and I still have no NE, because only 4 years passed. The crisis is growing exponentially in Europe and I need this law because I will get NE with this law without 5 year requirement. There are a lot of people in this situation.
The law will be effective on 1st of January, 10 days left and still not clarified. I need this law so that I can inform my HR, because in Germany all companies will fire the foreign people who do not have unlimited permit in this crisis. My company is firing a lot of people now.
There were several similar discussions about GC w.r.t. ZuwG at Trust7. I think you are GCler, therefore I think you don't see this point. You can never understand what I am experiencing here. I am trying here to share a tough stuff which is not easy to find in the press. So, please be patient and think twice when you send a post.
Klenze17.
klenze17
Member since 30/12/2004