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Posted on 10/03/2004 11:54 am

Immigration Law!

Hi GCs,

as most of you know, the politicians are still discussing the I.L.

I am very sure, that they will no come to a final decision on Friday and I think this is absolutely not acceptable! All of you need safety for your future plans and therefore we should put some pressure on the politicians, to make them know, that they have a responsibility for Germany and for you.

You now have the chance to do something for yourselves, because there is a journalist from the 'Spiegel', who wants to report the facts.

So do not hesitate to contact him and to tell him about your frustrations. Especially if you have to leave Germany, because you can not find a new job, because of the 5 years limitation or if you are thinking of leaving because of this.

Here comes his contact data:
Jürgen Dahlkamp

juergen_dahlkamp@spiegel.de

040/30073076 (Tel.)

Good luck to all of you
Detlef

hellfeld

Member since 17/10/2003

 

Posted on 10/03/2004 2:58 pm

Re: Immigration Law!

Hi again,

regarding my message, I got a reply, which I want you to know:
Hello Detlef,

I guess you are right. But that time someone from Spiegel contacted me and did an interview and was never published. If I would let someone know my frustrations then it is to bring up some results. If it doesn't bring any results, I guess it's just waste of time. Anyway I will write him a mail.

Thanks
F....

Here is my answer:
Hi F....,

I can understand you. But the media business is very special, you can never be sure if an article will be published. Maybe at the time of publishing there is an earthquake somewhere in the world or a famous person comes out with some news and the article is cancelled. It is never the journalist who is guilty, because he also wants his work to be seen, but maybe the chief editor does not like it.

Anyway, we have to try it again and again, because the media are the strongest partner in our fight for GCs rights!

Imagine my situation, I ask the GCs again and again, I send mails, I call people and at least, I do not have any influence if an article will be published or not. But I do not give up and therefore I thank you, that you also do not give up!

Best regards
Detlef

hellfeld

Member since 17/10/2003

 

Posted on 10/03/2004 3:33 pm

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Yeah, that should be the spirit.. Thankx a lot Detlef.. It also happens to me. I have written like more than 10 times in BBC. My motivation was to see my name and make others listen to my view. But i was never given a chance on BBC. I stopped wasting my time.. But here the situation is little different. The efforts are to make concerns felt by the politicians and the people. This is not a fancy of one person. Its a genuine need of thousands of GCs who are really contributing to the economy of Germany.

In short, lets not loose our heart at small setbacks..
Cheers,
Cmreddy

cmreddy

Member since 19/11/2003

 

Posted on 10/03/2004 6:14 pm

Re: Immigration Law!

It would be excellent if some of the Interviews that never made it to the light would be published here.

aalvarez

Member since 09/01/2004

 

Posted on 10/03/2004 6:51 pm

Re: Immigration Law!

Geschickt. Hey Leute, weist jemand das CDU/CSU-Mitglied, das für die Gespräche zum Thema Zuwanderungsgesetz verantwortlich sein?

Dear Mr. Jürgen Dahlkamp,

From the trust7.com resource I have learned that you are interested in questions which arise around immigration law and would like to get opinions of foreigners which already live here in Germany, especially in the boundaries of so-called green card program. As I am a German green card holder from March 2001, I thought that I would be a good idea to inform you about my opinion and my thoughts considering immigration law.

As you may know, till year 2000 Germany had a one good rule when inviting foreigners from third countries: a foreigner was invited when it was obvious that he would work and that his work in all aspects would only benefit Germany; also he had to leave Germany when because of changes on the market he would become of no more benefit for Germany. This rule worked fine and many foreigners have come to Germany, enjoyed their stay and job here and with time received an unlimited residence permit or German citizenship and thus became the rightful and respected members of German community.

However, in the year 2000 SPD with Mr. Schröder took it for granted that foreigners symbolize a future of Germany and therefore have launched a green card program, which did not require any checks of the labour market and any analysis of possible benefit regarding the applicants. As an argument it was said that each applicant creates three more working places and therefore such a program would only help to reduce an unemployment rate among natives. Considering that many of invited foreigners are now unemployed, I would say that such point of view has shown its complete truthfulness: as it is known, each unemployed green card holder has a right for unemployment benefit and therefore creates working places for new officials which are needed in order to be able to process his application for such a benefit, subsequent appeal and sometimes a claim when foreigner does not fully understand a German law system. Needless to say, that appeals and claims provide even more job opportunities for natives, which should be thankful to their government for it as well as for paying all expenses (as it is well known, normally income of unemployed lies below the limit and therefore father State takes on its shoulders all expenses for such appeals and claims). Moreover, such foreigners also produce new work opportunities for officials and private agents who work in area of employment services: they strive to make their best in order to see that a foreigner gets a new job position and normally succeed in their efforts – sometimes after ten months of hard work. Also foreigners need to spend their unemployment benefit and that creates new work places for natives as well. But the role of foreigners in creation of new work places does not end even here: with 10% unemployment rate among native IT-professionals they compete with natives for new and existing work places, which results in additional job for human resources departments as well as for employment offices that need to make all abovementioned tasks for unemployed natives - job which normally would not be necessary in case when green card holders never came to Germany.

Considering everything abovementioned, it is needless to say that green card program resulted in total success and made miracles with unemployment rate in Germany: now even more job places are created – for people, who make their best to fight an unemployment and of course, want to get their salaries for their work in such direction. So it is obvious that Germany urgently needs a new immigration law which will allow many more foreigners to come, create even more work places and stimulate even bigger fight vs. unemployment. It is also necessary to improve a situation and give new foreigners an unlimited residence permit at once – then they will be able to participate in the process of creation of new work places much longer than 5 years and also will be able to transfer their experiences in such a process to younger people when receiving an earned pension from father State, thus securing a future of Germany.

It is needless to say that during their life here green card holders have become to love Germany which provides them with everything when they are in need and of course do not want to come back to their home countries where they need to work hard in order to get their bread. However, with unaccepted immigration law their future here is unsecured with expiration of 5-years-period and this makes them somewhat frustrated: nobody wants to go back to the country where people must work 10-12 hours per day in order to get just necessaries for living and where no unemployment benefit is paid whatsoever. The situation with limited residence permit also does not satisfy them very much because they would like to get a right for a social aid after they are no more eligible for getting an unemployment benefit – which is going to become possible just after new immigration law comes in force. Needless to say that it will improve their life when they have an unemployed wife and children – and they of course have deserved a right for a social aid considering how hard they fought for creation of new work places. And such a right will shape a future of Germany even more, because natives will have to work more and more in order to make such a paradise possible.

In conclusion, I would like to state that it is not even necessary for new-coming foreigners to learn German – the natives so wonderfully know English that it makes all efforts towards learning German completely needless. This is not my point of view – it was proclaimed by SPD with Mr. Schröder when they invited people in Germany who did not know even one German word – but I of course fully understand rightfulness of such an attitude and therefore write my letter to you in English.

Best wishes from Mannheim,

Ruslan Fursa

trusday

Member since 10/03/2004

 

Posted on 12/03/2004 12:51 pm

Re: Immigration Law!

BDI: Zuwanderungsgesetz jetzt!

http://www.n24.de/...?a2004031209363414894

pwehrli

Member since 08/01/2004

 

Posted on 12/03/2004 5:59 pm

Re: Immigration Law!


Hi !

Knows someone, how looks the Immigration law now,
after these negociations ? Do you know any link with
the present state of the law ?

marox9

Member since 08/03/2004

 

Posted on 12/03/2004 6:47 pm

Re: Immigration Law!

Dear GC holders & all,
As of today (Friday, 12 March) the different political factions, union involved in the discussion of immigration law still could not come to a compromise or a solution. They would meet again on March 21st for a preliminary discussion and may reach a conclusion by March end at the earliest.
Yet another agonizing wait for GC holders. The chances as stated by politicians are 50/50.

p_tuladhar41

Member since 17/11/2003

 

Posted on 16/03/2004 1:53 am

Re: Immigration Law!

"As of today (Friday, 12 March) the different political factions, union involved in the discussion of immigration law still could not come to a compromise or a solution. They would meet again on March 21st for a preliminary discussion and may reach a conclusion by March end at the earliest.
Yet another agonizing wait for GC holders. The chances as stated by politicians are 50/50."

For GC holders it does not matter whether compromise solution is found or not. it is interesting only for newcomers, who may be able to get an unlimited residence permit at once after all checks on the labour market are done and they are allowed in the country; or may get a limited residence permit for three years which will be prolonged in case when they still have a job - depending on which point of view wins, i guess it will be Union's point of view. But as far as i understand the game here - in any case the extensive labour market check will be required before a foreigner is allowed to get a residence permit accordingly to an immigration law. Considering current situation on the labour market, i would say that GC holders will never pass that check, unless they have some rare specialization

trusday

Member since 10/03/2004

 

Posted on 16/03/2004 2:19 am

Re: Immigration Law!

There is an article in yesterday's "Der Spiegel", pp. 46-48, named "Out of Germany" - yeah right, english title. I understood it as a hint: GCs did not learn German -> out of Germany *lol*! :P

Considering trust7.com, following was said:

"Geschrieben wird stattdessen im Computerforum des Berliners Detlef von Hellfeld, der eine Website für frustrierte (!! so that's a right word for GC holders? ) Green-Cardler betreibt. "Das sind hochbegabte Leute, deren Kinder hier geboren sind, die Deutsch gelernt haben. Die fehlende Sicherheit, wie es weitergeht, ist ihr brennendstes Thema." Seit zwei Wochen hat Hellfeld (!! note: not Detlef von Hellfeld, but Hellfeld - thinks what needs to be done? let's read farther) auf seiner Webseite eine neue Rubrik: "Getting out of Germany" (!! in English, yeah right!)"

Detlef said that GCs have learned German language? look what "Der Spiegel" writes:

"Und sein Landsmann Srikanth Vakalapudi, 31, Baden-Baden, fragt auf Englisch (!! of course he knows German, but prefers English *lol* :P) : "Warum sollen wir Deutsch lernen, wenn wir bald wieder gehen müssen?" (!! must i explain what germans will think about GCs when they read this phrase *lol*? even americans come in Germany and start from learning German, even if they come only for one year - they know that it can get handy in their business afterwards, and where can you learn German better than in Germany itself? and germans understand - oh yes, american guy is not lazy, he wants to work and can care for himself *lol* )"

trusday

Member since 10/03/2004

 

Posted on 16/03/2004 2:38 am

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"Von Harianto Wijaya wird in dem Land, das so stolz auf ihn ist, dass es ihm eine Vitrine gebaut hat, bald nichts mehr zu sehen sein. Nichts außer einem schmuddelgrauen Dokument, sorgfältig hinter Glass verwahrt. Es ist das Original seiner Green Card, das im Haus der Geschichte vorgezeigt wird."

very right words, and very clear hint. the time will pass, and nothing will be left from german green card: no people, no rumors. only one dusty document in some museum ... will other ideas from Mr. Schröder leave even one document behind? i wonder ...

trusday

Member since 10/03/2004