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Help Needed(Citizenship)
Posted on 22/03/2009 10:24 pm
Help Needed(Citizenship)
Hi all,
I had gone through different topics regarding citizenship. But i need help from the members regarding my situation.
I have been since in germany from 2002. I had completed my master degree here. For me it took a long time. Student time from April 2002-till may 2007. Then from December 2007 i started to work and working till now.
1. Can i am eligible for Neiderlassungserlaubnis
2. or i can apply for an citizenship.
Your advice needed
Regards
Rishik
rishiku
Member since 22/03/2009
Posted on 23/03/2009 12:21 am
Re: Help Needed(Citizenship)
1. No
2. No
lacrima
Member since 14/11/2003
Posted on 23/03/2009 10:45 am
Re: Help Needed(Citizenship)
Helo,
Why i cant apply for an citizenship. I have been living in the germany since 2002. I am completing mt 7 years in march. So can you tell me the reason why i cant go for citizenship
rishiku
Member since 22/03/2009
Posted on 23/03/2009 11:21 am
Re: Help Needed(Citizenship)
Have you done your Integration Course and Citizenship exam? If no, then you are not eligible for the 7 year rule
Which state are you in? Important because some states dont count student period for Citizenship.
raj
Member since 27/01/2004
Posted on 23/03/2009 11:36 am
Re: Help Needed(Citizenship)
@ rishiku
I do not think you are eligible for citizenship, even though you have lived 7 years, as most of the time you spent here was a student.
Best for you is to visit Einbürgerungsbehörde and ask them directly. They will be able to guide you better.
UMTS11
Member since 02/02/2006
Posted on 23/03/2009 1:21 pm
Re: Help Needed(Citizenship)
@UMTS11, raj, lacrima
I do not think you are eligible for citizenship, even though you have lived 7 years, as most of the time you spent here was a student.
I beg to differ, IMHO Rishik has a fair chance of getting his citizenship if he completes Integrationkurs and Einbürgerungstest.
After 6-7 years of residence (with only exception of time spent in prison) one is qualified for citizenship, regardless of in which bundesland he resides. For NE the requirements differ in some bundeslands.
@rishiku
Without wasting your time in asking around, just finish Integrationkurs and Einbürgerungstest and apply for Einbürgerung. It takes from 3 to 12 weeks.
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Akshay
Member since 21/03/2005
Posted on 23/03/2009 1:49 pm
Re: Help Needed(Citizenship)
>>I beg to differ, IMHO Rishik has a fair chance of getting his citizenship if he completes Integrationkurs and Einbürgerungstest.
That is exactly my opinion.
>>After 6-7 years of residence (with only exception of time spent in prison) one is qualified for citizenship, regardless of in which bundesland he resides.
Here i am not of the same opinion after hearing from people having problem with student time especially in Bayern.
>>For NE the requirements differ in some bundeslands.
Not true. Atleast here they cannot differ because the rule AufenthG §9b gives no option to intepret differently
raj
Member since 27/01/2004
Posted on 23/03/2009 2:12 pm
Re: Help Needed(Citizenship)
@raj
The decision, if student years should be taken into consideration while calculating duration for NE, differs from state to state. Some accept the student years and some not.
As per Staatsangehörigkeitsgesetz § 10, for citizenship there is no distinction between student and employment years, you just have to reside in germany legally for 6-7-8 years in order to qualify for citizenship and at the time of application should have employment.
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Akshay
Member since 21/03/2005
Posted on 23/03/2009 2:25 pm
Re: Help Needed(Citizenship)
@akshay
>>The decision, if student years should be taken into consideration while calculating duration for NE, differs from state to state. Some accept the student years and some not.
They have to accept because the rule says that student time is counted half.
>>As per Staatsangehörigkeitsgesetz § 10, for citizenship there is no distinction between student and employment years, you just have to reside in germany legally for 6-7-8 years in order to qualify for citizenship and at the time of application should have employment.
Unfortunately the rule is not very clear regarding the student time(between rechtmäßiger und gewöhnlicher Aufenthalt) and this gives the Beamter in Bayern to intepret differently. You can ofcourse follow up on this in info4alien
raj
Member since 27/01/2004
Posted on 23/03/2009 2:26 pm
Re: Help Needed(Citizenship)
"As per Staatsangehörigkeitsgesetz § 10, for citizenship there is no distinction between student and employment years, you just have to reside in germany legally for 6-7-8 years in order to qualify for citizenship and at the time of application should have employment."
Not true.. do some search about the "gewoehnlicher Aufenthalt" Problem and interpretation of this wording. Bayern and BW think that student time is not "gewoehnlich" as required in StAG § 10.
So Naturalization does depend on the state in which the Threadstarter is living. He may still have a chance through StAG § 8 even in BW and Bayern but that would be a totally different story and the decision would be at the discretion of the authorities.
Regards,
Lacrima
lacrima
Member since 14/11/2003
Posted on 24/03/2009 3:00 pm
Re: Help Needed(Citizenship)
@Raj, Lacrima
I did some research regarding "gewoehnlicher Aufenthalt" and I found this paragraph:
http://www.info4al...ze/starvwv.htm#85.1.1
I still don't understand why Bayern and BW refuse to obey the law.
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Akshay
Member since 21/03/2005