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Germany's new president Horst Köhler (DEUTSCHE WELLE)
Posted on 24/05/2004 8:43 pm
Re: Germany's new president Horst Köhler (DEUTSCHE WELLE)
ok, lets put it together...
- reduce salaries
- increase a number of working hours per week
- simplify a procedure of cancellation of work contracts
* reduce vacation allowance p.a.
* ask more money for health insurance
* ...
do you have anything to add more? do you believe someone wants to stay here as a foreigner after all these things happen? what about germans ? do you think they will accept all these and say 'Deutschland über alles' yes.
hehe 
job well done.
Posted on 24/05/2004 10:14 pm
Re: Germany's new president Horst Köhler (DEUTSCHE WELLE)
"* reduce vacation allowance p.a."
I doubt it. vacation is something that should not be touched *lol*
"* ask more money for health insurance"
? 
i thought it was already done by H. Schröder or? 
"do you believe someone wants to stay here as a foreigner after all these things happen? what about germans ? do you think they will accept all these and say 'Deutschland über alles' yes."
LOL i thought that conditions in the U.S. for IT-professionals did get worse even earlier, am i not right? and i know how people work there - from 8-9 till 10-12 in the night, yes sir! and i know which support they are going to get from their government when they are kicked out by their boss in one day *lol* and i happen to know how long their vacations are, yes-yes *lol* but what is even more important: don't you think that it became somewhat hard to find any working place for IT-specialist in U.S., even harder than it is in Germany, despite perfect english? i would think so, because Americans apply for job in Germany *lol*
the majority of Germans will not be able to find any work place abroad, especially the ones who are unemployed and can not find a job here in Germany - therefore they will participate in manifestations and yes, say 'Deutschland über alles' *lol* the ones who do leave Germany are those who have a very big experience and are very valued, who worked for themselves during several years, who have names and lead of big projects behind their shoulders - for those salaries should be increased to keep them in Germany, and i guess this is exactly what is going to happen - Union is no SPD, does not think that all people should get the same money for their job *lol* as for foreigners - why, they will have same conditions as Germans, excluding one little difference - necessity to obtain work and residence permits. and do you really believe that society here is going to cry loud if foreigners go back to their countries considering big unemployment rate? i very doubt it ... the ones who are really valued should get all necessary permits without problems, but all others? it's not that i say that they should not get those permits - no - but if the salaries will be reduced for Germans, they will be reduced for them as well - and then they will have a choice and will choose themselves what they prefer: stay in Germany or go to some other country
you also forget about east European countries which just were accepted in EU. don't you think that they would like to use new possibilities and work in Germany, even if the salaries here are somewhat reduced? do you know how much earn people in Portugal and Greece? i will tell you - about 50% from what they earn here, therefore lots of people from there come in Germany in search for a job ... in east European countries people earn even less, i had statistical data on salaries somewhere, oh well, i am too lazy to search for it, sorry *lol* by the way, back to the question of amount of working hours - saw statistical data in one newspaper as well - western Germany works less than any other country in EU!
lol just recalled one more thing: if you get in U.S. a medical insurance which pays for everything, you are going to sell your last pants people there usualy have insurances which pay something but not very much, therefore have problems at once when get seriously ill ... do you know how much you are going to pay even with medical insurance for one night of staying in hospital there, when you need medicaments and some medical help as well - for example in case of a catastrophe? around 2000 dollars at the very least - without surgery, if it comes to surgery i guess you are going to pay out everything you was able to save *lol*
Posted on 25/05/2004 6:36 am
Re: Germany's new president Horst Köhler (DEUTSCHE WELLE)
So what ?
"Union is no SPD, does not think that all people should get the same money for their job *lol* as for foreigners - why, they will have same conditions as Germans, excluding one little difference - necessity to obtain work and residence permits."
Tell me what is Union Are they god ? Are they prophets ? What are they ? It is very easy. If you do the job that which 'others' can not perform your skills, you get money and everything. This is not different in any single country whatever the politicians are doing. For example if you have a nice pub with good food in Greece you also make good money in 5 months high season from the German Euros This depends on indiviual himself/herself.
For health insurance, i am paying a lot less than 2 years ago, i have now private health insurance.
"and do you really believe that society here is going to cry loud if foreigners go back to their countries considering big unemployment rate? i very doubt it ..."
I was talking about jobs of germans. A foreigner and german citizen pay the same tax. If you think Union will bring something like 'a foreigner can get %60 of the salary paid when compared with an equivalent german employee', err.... ok. But it is good to see what/how you are thinking Please do not try to tell me what society thought, think and will think here about foreigners.I know it very well.
"i would think so, because Americans apply for job in Germany *lol*"
I know some of them yes, he is here in Germany because he gets 120K brutto p. a., which is a good reason to apply for a job here.Hey, he is not a manager, not a contractor!
As a conclusion, every foreigner is here with a reason, nobody takes them to Germany just for fun. Is it so difficult to understand or you still think of bringing back the very valued 20 million 'own' engineers 
Posted on 25/05/2004 2:09 pm
Re: Germany's new president Horst Köhler (DEUTSCHE WELLE)
"If you do the job that which 'others' can not perform your skills, you get money and everything. This is not different in any single country whatever the politicians are doing."
Not in Germany, sir, not with SPD in government! Read current Kündigungsschutzgesetz and Betriebsverfassungsgesetz - here you only need to sign an unlimited contract with a right company (which is not in couple of steps from bankruptcy) and not to get kicked out before first 6 months are over. how do you work afterwards is completely irrelevant *lol*
"For health insurance, i am paying a lot less than 2 years ago, i have now private health insurance."
I heard that SPD thought how to improve state insurance at costs of private insured, so i would not be surprised if sometimes soon you will find out that you have to pay more. But you should be happy when additional burden will be put on you shoulders, because you will know that your money help people with low incomes, as well as the ones who do not work and receive a social aid *lol*
"If you think Union will bring something like 'a foreigner can get %60 of the salary paid when compared with an equivalent german employee', err.... ok."
No. such thing can not happen, because it will be a clear discrimination. foreigners are not fools, they will file claims and get those remaining 40% as well as big compensations. german politicians and businessmen are not fools as well, so such thing will be never made.
"As a conclusion, every foreigner is here with a reason, nobody takes them to Germany just for fun."
Yup! H. Schröder with his close friend H. Fisher believed it that Germany needs IT-professionals, so they invited people and people came. Professors and experts of course were not heard, the ones which were saying that the market is going to go down. How could they be heard, if two close friends produced such a wonderful idea? Now by governmental structures it is found out that the market went down and that those IT-professionals in reality were never needed - only now, when the market went down in late 2001-early 2002 - of course, how could it be found earlier if H. Schröder in 2002 wanted to be reelected?
By the way, their plan was not supposed to work in such way: i guess it was intended to get foreigners on a limited five-years basis, in order to close existing holes in IT labour market, get them by telling them how government thinks about their future and works hard on new immigration law *lol* ; afterwards make an immigration law with more strict conditions regarding PR than existing law, educate own students during five years and then kick out foreigners to their home countries *lol* you are going to tell me that those newly educated guys would be unexperienced? but you would teach them yourself when managers gave you such orders, wouldn't you *lol*?
Posted on 25/05/2004 5:55 pm
Re: Germany's new president Horst Köhler (DEUTSCHE WELLE)
"What order ? "
Can't your boss give you an assignment?
"Which manager ?"
It depends how many bosses you have. if you have five of them, then any from those five, if you have ten of them, obviously any from those ten *lol*
"What unexperienced students ?"
German universities lately enrolled much more young germans for IT-profession: they believed H. Schröder + H. Fischer! *lol* :P Didn't you boss employed some of those till now? Strange if he didn't - they cost much less *lol*
"What LoL thousand times in your post ?"
? i unfortunately do not have so much free time to write LoL thousand times ...
"Teach who ?"
the ones who are going to replace your boss believes that they can work without your supervision. didn't such thing happened with you before? happened once with me here in Germany, it really did *lol*
LOL i am having lots of fun as well. that's why i write on this forum, why would i otherwise?
Posted on 25/05/2004 5:57 pm
Re: Germany's new president Horst Köhler (DEUTSCHE WELLE)
Omission - "the ones who are going to replace your boss believes that they can work without your supervision."
Correction - "the ones who are going to replace you once your boss believes that they can work without your supervision."
Posted on 25/05/2004 6:12 pm
Re: Germany's new president Horst Köhler (DEUTSCHE WELLE)
Can't your boss give you an assignment?
No he can not, i have a job description, i do what it is written there. Nothing else. I do not have orders there. No Kaiser,emperor or sultan work here. No A** licking.
This boss thing does not make sense. 5 boss, 10 boss, what is boss ? Who is more skilled is boss. Who is less skilled listens to the more skilled one. Thats what boss means for me. I told this to my 'boss', he did not like the idea but he keeps me, you understand ?
"What unexperienced students ?"
No he did not, i never heard of them. If they come to my hands, oh yes, they are lucky, believe me, most of them will decide to change their direction.
Teaching people ?
Nobody taught me.
Ok, go to www.amazon.com buy your books, and teach yourself, thats it. Nobody is free teaching agency, or education center.
voll krass, o ja
Posted on 25/05/2004 6:40 pm
Re: Germany's new president Horst Köhler (DEUTSCHE WELLE)
LOL seems that you guys work a lot there. it's not fun, to work much ... however somebody needs to work otherwise how unemloyed would be able to have a wonderful life? *lol*
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