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Legal advice needed for racial discrimination in discotheque
Posted on 19/08/2009 4:16 pm
Legal advice needed for racial discrimination in discotheque
Dear all,
It's my first post here.
I am seeking for a legal advice regarding the discrimination issue I faced when I was denied entry to a discotheque in Würzburg on two separate occasions due to my brown skin color. I am male (33) and I am a student at the university.
First time, I was rejected the entrance on Saturday 8th August 2009. The doorkeepers showed hatred to me and didn't let me in without giving any reason. Later, they pretended that dress-code was an issue. But clearly it was not because I was dressing properly when compared to those who got the entry to the club. I went to Police but they didn't file my complaint regarding discrimination. Then I wrote an email to the owners of the discotheque and complained about the racial discrimination. I got a reply from the owners who apologized for the act but failed to disprove my accusation about the discrimination act. They wrote that next time they would welcome me in the club. I wrote another email to the club owners with several questions, but they didn't reply my email, yet.
I decided to give this club a second shot on last Saturday 15th August 2009, this time I wore a suit. But again I was rejected an entry because one of the staff members recognized my face from the picture I had sent along with the email I wrote to the club owners. Their behavior was utterly disrespectful. Clearly, I was again being discriminated due to my skin color while others were freely let in. The bouncers at the entrance were rude and pushed me away. It was very humiliating being singled out in the crowd. I was not drunk, I didn't shout and I was polite, but this didn't affect them. I decided to raise my voice against the discrimination in a peaceful manner.
As a protest, I stood on the road in front of the discotheque and held a sign "Say No to Discrimination". I got a fair bit of support from
the people passing by in terms of conversations, no slogans or something else. But the persons in charge of the club called the Police.
Instead of filing my complaint against the club or resolving the matter in a peaceful way, the Police took me to the police station and locked me up in the jail. After 4-5 hours, I was then released.
Now, I am seriously upset by the whole event due to several reasons. I was discriminated on racial grounds by the same discotheque on two occasions. The Police didn't file my complaint two times. My peaceful protest was disallowed and instead I was locked up in the jail for few hours as if I was a criminal.
I have checked some websites and found there are indeed some laws in Germany for discrimination issues. I have even read about a similar case in Oldenburg in 2008, where the court gave an order against a discotheque and asked its owners to pay compensation to the person who was discriminated at the entrance.
Please help me with the information about how I can proceed this case on the legal basis or please send any information that you think can be useful in this regard.
Thank you.
Peace.
enigma
Member since 19/08/2009
Posted on 21/09/2009 1:56 pm
Re: Legal advice needed for racial discrimination in discotheque
@ Raj2001 and Akshay,
I am very saddened by reading to your comments.
On one side they reflect some kind of arrogance and on the other side they underline the inherent timidness. The weekness to find mistake in yourselves always and not to protest.
Every self respecting man will feel bad at this behaviour.I do not see the reason that you rubbished this guy saying all the hypothetical nonsense of him being indian and so on...
Remember Gandhi! This is what Indians are about ,If he would not have protested two big nations would still be under chains.
To be integrated in a society doesnot mean that you have to lick their asses and demean your own country everytime. I am writing this time just after feeling disgusted after reading your comments on other topics also.
The good thing about germany is that if you are right and law is on side,you can protest and get the guilty punished.
My vote goes to this poor guy.
Regards
Havehope
havehope
Member since 23/07/2004
Posted on 21/09/2009 3:34 pm
Re: Legal advice needed for racial discrimination in discotheque
@Havehope
This topic has long been inactive for some good reasons. Are you in habit of digging graves?
....Remember Gandhi! This is what Indians are about ,If he would not have protested two big nations would still be under chains....
As a matter of fact it is three nations and two of them are at each others throat. Only a moron would attribute these events to Gandhi. Aftermath of World-War-II gave independence to many countries, India being just one of them. The credit, if at all goes to NSDAP.
...To be integrated in a society does not mean that you have to lick their asses and demean your own country everytime....
Nobody is licking asses and demeaning India. This poor guy "enigma" just wants to flirt with chicks and get laid, which of course he thinks is his birthright.
However, a discotheque is not a brothel. To be allowed to enter you have to be accordingly dressed and have a pleasant personality. It is not a place for ugly or sordidly dressed people. It has nothing to do with being an Indian.
If I am the owner of a discotheque then I would make sure that only beautiful chicks in sexy outfit can enter my discotheque. Why do you think I should allow fat-and-ugly chicks enter my discotheque and scare the customers?
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Akshay
Member since 21/03/2005
Posted on 21/09/2009 4:51 pm
Re: Legal advice needed for racial discrimination in discotheque
@Havehope
All trust7 members who are followers of Gandhi let us protest and sit outside the discotheque with poor enigma and start discotheque Satyagraha also enigma will go on hunger strike till he is not allowed to enter the disco and get laid with one of the chicks.
raj2001
Member since 10/06/2008
Posted on 21/09/2009 6:41 pm
Re: Legal advice needed for racial discrimination in discotheque
raj2001, Akshay,
Well done boyz.. congratulations
You are the best sarcasts of Trust7 forum for the year 2009..
Keep up your good work and be the Winners for 2010 as well. Good luck.
truster
Member since 26/06/2008
Posted on 21/09/2009 10:04 pm
Re: Legal advice needed for racial discrimination in discotheque
HI Enigma,
yes this happens not too seldom in Germany and many other countries(including India).
This happened to me several years back as I used to study in Berlin. I was not allowed to enter a pub and there could be many reasons for it:
1. I was not appropriately dressed when I look back to that time. I learnt over the years how important this is when you go out.
2. I was in a group of 4 people and all of them INdian guys. This makes the door keepers wary of trouble.
3. Its also possible that the door keeper just doesnt like you for what soever reason but you can hardly do anything against it.
Had it been the US or UK where litigation firms specialize in racial profiling, things would have been probably different.
I would suggest that next time take more care of your dressing up, avoid going in male groups or indian groups and if still someone doesnt let you go in, the place just doesnt deserve your money. Just go to the next place instead of demonstrating in front of the place (for which you need special permission actually)
This happens in India as well. Go to a decent disco in a nice hotel, they would decide whom to let go in and whom not.
jivankitalaash
Member since 06/09/2009
Posted on 22/09/2009 8:40 am
Re: Legal advice needed for racial discrimination in discotheque
Not sure about the other guy, but Akshay is known to develop verbal diarrhea the moment the term 'India' is got into play.The guy reeks of extreme inferiority complex and is extremely disillusioned.
Wouldn't be surprised if he was subject to a 1000 lashes during his last visit there 
.
Cheers
khopdee
Member since 27/09/2007
Posted on 22/09/2009 9:03 am
Re: Legal advice needed for racial discrimination in discotheque
@khopdee
I couldn't agree more
Raj2009
Member since 14/07/2009
Posted on 22/09/2009 10:41 am
Re: Legal advice needed for racial discrimination in discotheque
@Akshay
It s very much ok if you cannot appreciate the underline quality of showing your backbones when you see any kind of unjustice is done.
What i didn't digest is the fact whta gave you the impression and info that Enigma was poorly dressed and wanted to enter disco for a cheap skin show or even thinking of a disco as a brothel.How could you think of these things without being given this info from Enigma.
By the way these thinks may be coming from your own hidden complexes which by writing here you live in world of denials.
You seem to be an intelligent guy but putting your energies in the negative directions .
Don't get spiked up by your so called supporters like Raj 2001 and put your selves as a case of negative ,arcid personality who is really suffering from some complex that force him to have these views (i am not sure that these are your views also ,i think you just write them to satisfy your own infriority complexes)that everything in his own country is bad or with his own country men is bad and everything in a developed country is right8even if its extreme right).
Please grow up and change.
Regards
havehope
Member since 23/07/2004
Posted on 22/09/2009 1:08 pm
Re: Legal advice needed for racial discrimination in discotheque
I am not supporting anyone here but i would say its bullshit by protesting and calling Racism or Human rights for such things and making it a big issue.
I agree with what jivankitalaash wrote the same rules goes if you go to some discotheques in India.You guys read the discussion at toytown
http://www.toytown....php?showtopic=139189
so there are Irish.British and many white skinned who were denied entry to discotheques and some even thrown out so this has nothing to do with skin color just calm down and be happy with your skin color.
I would say it is only we Indians who for every small things bring up racism and skin color maybe because of our history and culture with north and south Indian but look at those Africans who are happy with their skin colour no complaints no protest and keep smiling when they are call N**** also they flaunt with girls have no problem entering discotheques and they get the best German chicks because they have the attitude and personality that's simple.
raj2001
Member since 10/06/2008
Posted on 22/09/2009 1:20 pm
Re: Legal advice needed for racial discrimination in discotheque
Dear Raj2001,
Its not a question if it was a racism or not. We can leave it to the judgement of Enigma.But I objected to the way someone tried to ridicule him and attacked him for even complaining.
If Enigma felt bad he has all the rights to complain.If someone doesn't feel it worth then the best he can do is to ignore or write some decent words to cool him down.
Again what happens in India is not a issue here.
Why even to bring india and Indians in these conversations.
Take care.
Regards
havehope
Member since 23/07/2004
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