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Arbeitszeugnis !!!
amolp76
Member since 23/02/2004
Posted on 02/06/2004 3:11 pm
Re: Arbeitszeugnis !!!
Hi Amol,
I got quite the same Zeugniss from my first job in Germany and I always thought that it was ok until I presented it during an interview.
Then the boss interviewing me told me that it was a bad one: quite nothing said in it, means "he did nothing good, but he was there for sure" and he told me, like YO said, that there was some hidden things in a Zeugniss that people can't even imagine, an example he gave me was "was excellent in working alone on tasks", means "was not able to really work on team and to accomodate with the others". Who would have guessed that ? 
IMHO, you should ask for another Zeugniss from your company and like my former company did, ask them to read it before getting the final version from them.
D.
vsrikanth9
Member since 17/11/2003
Posted on 02/06/2004 3:38 pm
Re: Arbeitszeugnis !!!
With my past experiences such things generally happens in small companies where ur boss is everything. Anything said by u or done by u during leaving the company is directly taken by him/her as a prestige issues which results in such 'very emotional Arbeitszeugnis' 
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But in larger and more professional organizations no one really cares for that and generally they use a same pre drafted letter for everyone.
Posted on 03/06/2004 7:53 pm
Re: Arbeitszeugnis !!!
GewO § 109 Zeugnis
(1) Der Arbeitnehmer hat bei Beendigung eines Arbeitsverhältnisses Anspruch auf ein schriftliches Zeugnis. Das Zeugnis muss mindestens Angaben zu Art und Dauer der Tätigkeit (einfaches Zeugnis) enthalten. Der Arbeitnehmer kann verlangen, dass sich die Angaben darüber hinaus auf Leistung und Verhalten im Arbeitsverhältnis (qualifiziertes Zeugnis) erstrecken.
it's clear that your employer has given you an "einfaches Zeugnis". Just ask him to issue you an "qualifiziertes Zeugnis". One notice though: there was one legal dispute in which employee wanted to prove that his employer had to issue him an "qualifiziertes Zeugnis", but the judge ruled it that employer was right, due to a fact that it was not possible for him to learn his employee during only six months of work. therefore if you did not work for a relatively long time (over a year) and if your employer almost did not see you, it's very possible that you will have to live with an "einfaches Zeugnis". that would be a "minus" for you of course, as such thing is a perfect sign that an applicant did not do anything useful
Posted on 03/06/2004 8:16 pm
Re: Arbeitszeugnis !!!
"Normally no one will write bad words on their employee even if they leaves the company. Every company will maintain a friendly relation with their employees even if they leave the company. Your old employer looks very strange.."
it depends. if employee has a limited residence permit, employer usually understands it that employee will have to go back to his home country if he is unable to find a new job quickly, therefore will be unable to cause any problems
my last employer for example has not given me any reference letter despite of several reminders. obviously he thought that i would be sent "nach Hause" very quickly; this of course will not free him from paying me a salary for all months of my unemployment when our legal dispute is over *lol*
yes, and there are companies and companies. did you ever work for a company which lends its employees to other companies? because if you did not i would suggest you to try it - just in order to be able to see a difference yourself
amolp76
Member since 23/02/2004
Posted on 04/06/2004 11:15 am
Re: Arbeitszeugnis !!!
lol right do that so that the money do not leave Germany
Posted on 04/06/2004 1:57 pm
Re: Arbeitszeugnis !!!
It is not just zeugnis the old employer has deducted 500 Euros from my last salary with the company as sonstiges. I knew some probs like this will happen so I had taken a Versichurung for a year...So I think I should use that atleast once..
Regards.
amolp76
Member since 23/02/2004