Posted on 27/08/2005 9:49 pm

Working in the EU

I have seen a number of questions regarding people who want to work on other EU countries so I have a piece of information that might be of use to you,
specially for those with some thime in Germany thinking of emigrating to the UK.

Looking back at the last five years, I see that we have done a lot, and a
big chunk thanks to Detlef, the trust7 operator. We have changed the perception of the foreign worker,
we have changed helped changed the law, we have created workplaces and helped european companies be more competitive.

We have also profited from this, we have learned new languages and improved our skills, we have helped our home countries
and become more open to the world.

In particular I am very proud of the way we have helped each other, with our taxes, with the law. Every time some one applies
for BE or EG and has succeeded, he has enforced the application of the law, which I believe must also be applied when it benefits the citizen, not only
when it benefits the state (as in the case of taxes, for example).

Some time ago we discussed the Council Directive 2003/109/EC of 25 November 2003 from the EU. It's purpose is to give the same (or similar) rights to
long term third country residents as normal EU citizens. In particular it gives the right to work in another EU country
(with the sad exception of Ireland, the UK and Denmark) independently or as an employee. In Germany, long term resident status is given by the Niederlassungserlaubnis

This directive entered into force on the 12.02.2004, and must be implemented by ALL member states (with the already mentioned exceptions)
by 23.01.2006.

The implications of this are:
* there will be more competition, the pool of talent will be considerably bigger, and more people will join this site.
* There will be more possibilities abroad as well, when looking for a job do it at EU level, Trust7 is already doing this if you are a member.

However as we have seen with the Zuwanderungsgesetz, there will be resistance, and in particular (in my opinion) some paragraphs of the
current law do not comply with this directive (for example, the NE should not expire after 6 months if the holder is in another EU country).

So if you are thinking of working in another EU country read the following links:

http://europa.eu.i...leg/en/lvb/l23034.htm
http://europa.eu.i...LEX:32003L0109:EN:NOT


And tells us about your experience, if you have problems maybe the Trust7 legal team can help.


Btw, this is not legal advice.

Regards,
-a

Posted on 16/01/2006 3:33 pm

Re: Working in the EU

@instructor

This was just an example of some countries having accommodated directive 2003/109/EC in their immigration policy.

It is totally irrelevant if Latvia is a country worth migrating or not.

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Posted on 16/01/2006 5:44 pm

Re: Working in the EU

@intructor,

I wonder about your I.Q level that you compare India and east Timor.

If its its close to the world average that you would not have done it. ...or els you have done it purposely.
I wonder who has given you an employment...The future of that company is really bad...or are you on asylum / social benifits(In that case you are right about India, they don't invite such liabilities).

Cheers

Posted on 16/01/2006 10:40 pm

Re: Working in the EU

@havehope

I know something from instructor has stuck into your bottom and turned into red color? What the Hell was that?

"I wonder about your I.Q level that you compare India and east Timor."

What kind of !d!ot!c I.Q level do you have to compare instructor?

"If its its close to the world average that you would not have done it. ...or els you have done it purposely."

What the F**K you want to talk about here?
It seems like you are trying to keep all your desperation and frustration on instructor.

"I wonder who has given you an employment..."

Which a55 has given you a job and on what base when you have such a tiny d!*K Head? Tell that first before talking to instructor.

"The future of that company is really bad..."

So you consider yourself as GOD? you stnpid! first try to look your bottom before pointing your finger.

"or are you on asylum / social benifits"

Seems like you are one among those and trying to point it to somebody else?

"(In that case you are right about India, they don't invite such liabilities)."

Before talking about India, clean up your own bottom before. Infact India does'nt need thoase liabilities.

Are you one among from Eastern EU or Latvia by any chance?

What made your bottom red colour to attack instructor? I just got involved as you did!!!

Posted on 17/01/2006 10:28 am

Re: Working in the EU

"Why coming to Germany and fighting years long for an unlimited residence permit with a lot rules, compared to another EU country who gives you a permit that is valid for other EU members, which don't give that flexibility"

Well.. that is a challange for EU.. they should try to establish same/similar standards/conditions in every state but this is also the case in USA.. not every state of USA has the same difficulty level for getting a driving licence.. and the same standards..

Some countries of EU has been already giving their citizenship much easier than Germany for decades.. (and their citizenship means work-residence permit in Germany) but it didnt create a problem till today either..

I would not see the new advantages of an EU wide permanent residence permit as a source for "exploitation", if citizens of the EU states can freely move/work, why should not the legal permanent residences of those states be able to do it ? makes perfectly sense.. such an "exploitation" point of view sees the foreigners
as "slaves" and the host countries as "masters".. in my point of view legal residences of EU states do not exploit anything.. they are human beings living there just like the "normal" citizens of EU states..

Nichts für Ungut..

Regards,

Lacrima

Posted on 17/01/2006 12:18 pm

Re: Working in the EU

@Akshay,

"Come on, guys....just because we got PR in Germany doesn't mean that we got the right to grumble against PR from countries like Poland, Latvia...etc."

i did not see anyone insulting "pr" from countries like poland, latvia (formar third-world countries) even if someone commenting on that issue, why not? of course everyone has right to say anything they think is right as you do or?

"I agree, life isn't fair that these PR from new EU members countries have got dessert served on plate "

i also did not see anyone saying life is'nt fair there, how did you arrive to this conclusion? unfortunatly less people interested in dessert (natürlich ohne vogelgrippe )