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Niederlassungserlaubnis
Posted on 09.03.2010 12:43
Niederlassungserlaubnis
I have been living in Germany since October 2002. From October 2002 till November 2004 I studied MSc at TU Munich. Later till 05.June 2008, I did PhD. Since 09.June.2008 I have been working as an internal employee within a company with 10,000 employees.
As a student status MSc + PhD, I lived 67 months. Further, as an employee, 21 months (paid RV).
I contacted Auslanderbehorde. They said, I need to pay 60 months RV as an employee. Is this correct? When am I eligible for Niederlassungserlaubnis?
tak777
Member since 09.03.2010
Posted on 10.03.2010 07:23
Re: Niederlassungserlaubnis
Hi tak777,
it seems you are brand new member here, because you have registered yourself here on 9.3 and you sent your post in the same day, without searching any post. Your questions have been asked here thousand times. Please don't be lazy and search here the forums.
To speed it up for you: Student times are considered to half. If you were a student for 1 year, only 6 months is considered for Niederlassungserlaubnis.
Klenze17.
klenze17
Member since 30.12.2004
Posted on 10.03.2010 09:08
Re: Niederlassungserlaubnis
Yes this is correct.
http://www.aufenth...e/aufenthaltsg.html#9
AxEnNeSo
Member since 15.03.2006
Posted on 10.03.2010 12:44
Re: Niederlassungserlaubnis
Hi Klenze17,
thanx for your reply. My question was not answered. I know that student time is half counted. As a student I lived for 67 months. Implies 33.5 months counted for PR. As an employee, I have worked 22 months and paid RV. Upto my understanding, I have to work 4.5 months to get PR. Is this correct?
But my contact person in Auslanderbehorde told I need to pay 60 months of RV. If this is correct, I will get PR after 39 months?
It is also written that 60 months of RV should be paid for PR:
http://www.aufenth...e/aufenthaltsg.html#9
tak777
Member since 09.03.2010
Posted on 10.03.2010 13:51
Re: Niederlassungserlaubnis
@tak777
mach deine doktorarbeit nicht hier bitte!!!
as you mentioned twice and read from http://www.aufenth...e/aufenthaltsg.html#9 link...
what do you want us to tell/spoonfeed!
60 months of RV, this is one of the must conditions under §9!
BTW, did you pay any rente during your "PhD"?
bmilan
Member since 06.09.2006
Posted on 12.03.2010 11:19
Re: Niederlassungserlaubnis
Well, correct me if I am wrong, but if you check § 104 Übergangsregelungen (2) it says that for those who came to Germany before 1 January 2005 the requirement of 60 month RV is not necessary, you just need to fulfill aufenhalts requirements and have BE. I believe this part was added recently.
mkorobeinik1
Member since 27.11.2008
Posted on 12.03.2010 12:04
Re: Niederlassungserlaubnis
(2) Bei Ausländern, die vor dem 1. Januar 2005 im Besitz einer Aufenthaltserlaubnis oder Aufenthaltsbefugnis sind, ist es bei der Entscheidung über die Erteilung einer Niederlassungserlaubnis hinsichtlich der sprachlichen Kenntnisse nur erforderlich, dass sie sich auf einfache Art in deutscher Sprache mündlich verständigen können. § 9 Abs. 2 Satz 1 Nr. 3 und 8 findet keine Anwendung.
It says here about Aufenthaltserlaubnis oder Aufenthaltsbefugnis;
in max cases i have seen and experienced, as a student you are not offered Aufenthaltserlaubnis but Aufenthaltsbewilligung!
Check this link. (Rechtslage ab dem 01.01.2005)
http://www.aufenth...haltsbewilligung.html
so before 1.1.2005 if one student was in germany on "Aufenthaltsbefugnis" then § 104 Übergangsregelungen (2) applies.
http://de.wikipedi...i/Aufenthaltsbefugnis
or if during phd one got Aufenthaltserlaubnis then it is possible under §104 (2) rule...
while starting discussion if one mentiones exact § nos. etc. then it is much easier to figure out and bring correct arguments for AB!
bmilan
Member since 06.09.2006
Posted on 30.05.2010 21:27
Re: Niederlassungserlaubnis
Hello everyone,
I have as similar problem as tak777.
I have been here in Germany since Sep-2002 and did my masters until Feb 2005(Aufenthaltsbewilligung, Beschaftigung gen.§ 9Nr.9 ArGv).
Starting from March-2005 until Aug-2009 I did my PhD and paid taxes(Aufenthalserlubnis §5 Nr. 2 but says promotionstudium).
Since Sep-2009 I work as a scientific staff in another University(Aufenthalserlubnis §5 Nr. 2 but says Wiss.arbeiter).
Having paid the taxes in Germany without break for 60 months I approached the auslanderamt. The lady there informed me that I am not eligible to apply for NE since I was a PhD student.
My PhD supervisor informed me many times that I am employee of the University (my contract said am an Wiss.Mitarbeiter) but, had to register as a student in the uni at least one semester to get my PhD degree.
I don't know how to proceed. can someone show some pointers.
Regards,
Gopal
gtrengarajan
Member since 20.03.2009
Posted on 31.05.2010 15:04
Re: Niederlassungserlaubnis
@gtrengarajan
In Sept´2010 you will be completing 8 years in Germany, why don't you try to file your Einbürgerung application? If you are not living in Sachsan, Bayern or Baden-Württemberg than I think you can easily get it.
Good luck! and keep us posted!!
Raj2009
Member since 14.07.2009
Posted on 01.06.2010 09:02
Re: Niederlassungserlaubnis
Thanks Raj for the info.
I would try to get NE first. I still need sometime to decide on whether to take up German citizenship.
Regards,
Gopal.
gtrengarajan
Member since 20.03.2009
Posted on 01.06.2010 10:58
Re: Niederlassungserlaubnis
@Gopal
r u from Halle??
Raj2009
Member since 14.07.2009