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Career growth in Germany for non-natives
Posted on 10.02.2005 14:45
Career growth in Germany for non-natives
Dear Friends,
How about the career growth prospects for non-natives in German IT companies ?.
Ofcourse, I understand that language would be a barrier. Even, if we learn to speak fairly but still we can't equate with native speakers.
Apart from language, are there equal/enough/fair opportunities for growth? Or, Will we just remain as programmers or so called Software Engineers, till the end.
This question is plaguing my mind for sometime...
I am currently in the position of Technical Leader in my parent company in India and sure to become Technical Manager in another two years.
When I started looking for job here, I realized that I can't get something equal (Technical Leader) here. I have only the option to be a Software Engineer, noting more than that.
Dear guys, kindly share your experiences relevant to career prospects, salary hike etc. I am sure those would be valuable for me and other new job seekers...
Thanks & Regards
Kumaran
kumaran
Member since 28.01.2005
Posted on 10.02.2005 14:59
Re: Career growth in Germany for non-natives
Hi Kumaran,
Managerial positions occupancy in Germany for non germans is a very challenging task.Generally very difficult (but not impossible) for people coming from Asia,unless you have been transferred from a US concern to the branch office in DE.Another way being leading the german branch of your asian firm.
Other than these two possibilities,you can acheive a position of a department leader(abteilung leiter) ,managing people but for that you would require a very long stint in the company.Remember grey hairs have values here 
)
Unlike US,culturally these positions belong to natives.
But with good performance,talent and of course a lot of patience!,,, its possible.
ciao
GnR
GnR
Member since 28.11.2003
Posted on 10.02.2005 16:23
Re: Career growth in Germany for non-natives
Hi Kumaran,
German economy is a technology oriented economy and I suppose German companies generally recruit qualified foreigners for technical roles. Secondly, the service industry here is quite small when compared to that of the US or other countries. So you might not be able to see that spectrum of jobs in the market.
Ofcourse, for the kind of role you are talking about (Leader / Manager) means lot of communication is required with colleagues / customers. If you can pretty much handle that you have a fair chance.
From an Indian perspective, it would be a good idea if you look for jobs at MNCs that have a lot do with say America or Asia. Your chances for growth should be better there.
Best of luck!.
AB
abalag
Member since 08.06.2004
Posted on 10.02.2005 20:36
Re: Career growth in Germany for non-natives
I think there isn't too many manager position to be filled in. My current manager has worked for the company for more than 10 years and reached his position now. To be honest, I don't see too much chance.
You are really great hoping to get manager position here, freshly from indian 
Anyway good luck.
VP_2004
Member since 15.11.2004
Posted on 10.02.2005 21:55
Re: Career growth in Germany for non-natives
Yo Kumaran,
Think about it..... You can not speak German, so how good of a manager would you be? Communication is the number one thing for a manager. Imagine if a German went to India and could not speak English or Hindi or whatever the local language would be. How good would he be?
Before you pack up your rice bags and go to another country and whereever you go, you should first think about many other things like language, culture etc, before you think about a job or career in that country.
I have to laugh at all of the Indians who want to come here and then when they are here cry like babies. The are not nice to me. They treat me like a foreier. bla bla bla....
Think about it. Why do you think Germans MAY not like foreigners coming so much? Many come and can not speak the language and do not even try nor care about the country. Even in this forum. Most CGers can not speak good German. Why? You say you are smart!! You have lived here for 3, 4 years!!!!!! That is because you have no interest in this country, only interest in getting something from this country. NE, citizenship, money! Why would you want to be a citizen in a place where you can not speak the language at a proper level and you can not speak the language only for one reason; You are too lazy to learn!!!!
Kumaran it would be best if you pick another place to manage!!!!
Later,
Cool Dude
p.s. This post is not meant to hurt anyone, but just to speak the truth.......
coool dude
Member since 26.07.2004
Posted on 10.02.2005 22:17
Re: Career growth in Germany for non-natives
Kumaren,
Are you in India or Germany? This post sounds like you are in India, but you made another post in the forum asking help for a job and say you are in Germany for 2 years. If you have been in Germany for 2 years, which you wrote in the other post, do you really need to ask this question? You should already know!!!!
And what does this mean? "I have only the option to be a Software Engineer, noting more than that." Nothing more than that!!!!! But you have asked in another post that people from this forum, who are just "Nothing more than small little Software Engineers", to help you find a job........ What a baby......
Dude stay in India and if you are in Germany go back to India!!!!!!
Later,
Cool Dude!
coool dude
Member since 26.07.2004
Posted on 11.02.2005 10:54
Re: Career growth in Germany for non-natives
Dear Cool Dude,
I understand you completely. But I would like to say that you had perceived my postings in a wrong context, that might be because of your past experiences and implied perceptions.
German is not an easy or simple language to master it just like that. It is so rich in its expressions (compared to English), that it takes decades to master it. That is the reason even after 2 or 3 years of stay, still we are finding hard to speak fluently. Not because of laziness as you might tend to think.
Any way this language barrier is like a double ended sward, people also find it difficult and Germany also finds it difficult to get talents from outside.
>Why do you think Germans MAY not like foreigners >coming so much
I did not say this anywhere in my post. These are all the result of your implicit perceptions.
I am currently working in Germany, but I don't come under direct German management. That is the reason, I wanted to get some knowledge from others experience about carrer prospects under direct German management.
I never deny the importance of language nor complete integration with the society )
What ever I said about Software Engineer is just out of momentary (self) frustration, that's it. It is not certainly for demeaning the job.
Dude, I hope now you take it cooly.
Regards
Kumaran
kumaran
Member since 28.01.2005
Posted on 11.02.2005 12:51
Re: Career growth in Germany for non-natives
Hi Cool Dude,
Your sentence
"Before you pack up your rice bags and go to another country and whereever you go, "
has a bit of racist tones. So please avoid it next time. But your other comments about indians are most of the times on target.
Cheers
Rajesh
raj
Member since 27.01.2004
Posted on 11.02.2005 15:32
Re: Career growth in Germany for non-natives
Hi Coool Dude,
welcome back!!
u r again on india(n) bashing!!.
Hi Kumaran, pl. ignore Coool Dude, poor guy, he has lost his job to an Indian.
regards,
kalakkal
kalakkal
Member since 07.09.2004
Posted on 11.02.2005 15:54
Re: Career growth in Germany for non-natives
Yo raj, Did not try to sound racist. Do not be so sensitive!!! I mean all Germans wear Lederhosen, oder? Lighten up a little.....
@kalakkal Did not loose my job to an Indian...... A matter of fact many companies do not waste time on hiring Indians and no I am not bashing. They got sick of talking to Indians who say, I have good German, but can not even order a meal and also Indians who are 23 or 25 years old and have more on a CV than is possible after working 20 years in IT. I am not saying all Inidans, but many. This is true. The Indians apply for every job...... I mean they get CVs from same people for DB Admins, Network Admins, Java Programmers, Support, SAP, bla bla bla. Come on, you can not have so much experience and be an expert in everything.... It takes 5 - 10 years min. to be good and have good experience in any one of these areas. If they can spell the word or see it in the internet, then they are expert in it. Just look at the article about Indians getting priority for visa in Frankfurt. That is not true, but the Indian paper wrote this. It is for everyone Think about it!!!!!
Later,
Cool Dude!
coool dude
Member since 26.07.2004
Posted on 11.02.2005 16:13
Re: Career growth in Germany for non-natives
I dont think this is a place where need to comment on once talent.
I request the moderator to intervene and close the thread.
A
ajay
Member since 26.05.2004
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