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NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Posted on 13.01.2007 09:29
NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Dear All,
What about the new law, if some one gets anual salary >63000 Euro can get NE?
How is it calculated, does it including urlaub and weinacht geld.
Thanks and regards-
ASM
ASM
Member since 25.06.2004
Posted on 15.11.2008 16:23
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Has this rule(NE for 63000€) been already implemented ?
Not yet. All the technical things of the law change has been done. Also, Bundestag (parliament) approved the law on 13.11.2008.
Now Bundesrat must approve it, councellor Angela Merkel and minister president Horst Köhler must sign the change. The law change will be published in Bundesgesetzblatt (official announcement paper from state) that the law becomes effetive.
Only after all these, the law will be effective in 01.01.2009.
I need to renew my Aufenthaltstitel. So can I try NE as my Brutt is around 64000€ ?
Yes, but only after the law becomes effective. It is after 01.01.2009. Before that, you cannot do anything.
Do you know what are the documents that may be required to get this ?
By the definition of this law, the local authorities will ask you to prove that you have this salary. I think the last 3 slips of previous year must be OK, but in general I think a prinout for your complete year from Finanzamt might be asked. They must see that you get this money.
Also, the law does not give everyone who has this salary or more. Your job specification must match "high-qualification". It is not stated in law explicitly, but it is mostly IT sector, electronics, computer and mechanical engineering.
Ex-Greencardlers would match. But we have no leading case for this, because we must wait until 01.01.2009 when first applications run.
havehope, a member in this forum was a telecom engineer and he has got his NE w.r.t. $19 but with 84.000 euro salary requirement. He is the only case we know. rajeshspg is an academician who has got NE $19 but as a scientist.
Technically all the GCs who still do not have NE must be able to get this NE, as long as they satisfy this salary requirement.
To whom who is interested: There is Verordnung for this law change: http://www.bundesr...onFile.pdf/840-08.pdf .
So everything is ready for this law change. Just wait until January.
In the coming day we will hear more about this in press. Just wait.
Klenze17.
klenze17
Member since 30.12.2004
Posted on 16.11.2008 02:48
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Yesterday the Bundesrat has approved the law change.
http://www.bundesr...onFile.pdf/861-08.pdf
Only the signatures of Councellor Angela Merkel and minister president Horst Köhler required for the law change. Bundesgesetzblatt will publish the law.
I can say that now 84K requirement to get NE for Hochqualifizierte has been history. With this law change the minimum annual gross salary must be 63.600 Euro (2008), 64.800 Euro (2009) to get the NE.
Klenze17.
klenze17
Member since 30.12.2004
Posted on 28.11.2008 22:03
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Unfortunately the Bundesrat refused the current law change, because they find the minimum salary 63600 still too much. They want to reduce it to 53.400 Euro. Therefore they asked the additional commission to review the law change.
Damned, the 1 month left until the law becomes effective and this unclear situation makes the situation of a lot of foreign workers in Germany very bad and keep us with no perspective!! The world crisis is hitting everywhere in the world and German companies started to lay off people everywhere. Playing with the law changes just before 01.01.2009 in this situation makes the situation of the law very unclear. It can be completely void because these kind of decisions for foreigns can go even ineffective. In this crisis a lot of companies fire people and they might object to these kind of laws. The only chance we have is the Elections in 2009.
Damned!! Very bad, to be honest... Bundesrat doesn't see the current economic and market situation...
Klenze17.
klenze17
Member since 30.12.2004
Posted on 28.11.2008 22:06
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
http://www.bundesr...icationFile.pdf/4.pdf
and
http://www.pressre...=jour_pm&quelle=0
klenze17
Member since 30.12.2004
Posted on 01.12.2008 18:52
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Announcement from Bundesrat:
http://www.bundest...politik/22908287.html
Bundesrat insists on reducing the recently change minimum gross annual salary of 63.600 Euro down to 53.400 Euro. The government declared before this salary too low to give unlimited residence permit.
Bundesrat and the government are still discussing on this. It is just 1 month left to 1st of January, when the law should be effective. Last Sunday there was a comment in Frankfurter Allgemeine that the law in these conditions would not be effective in 1st of January because still continuing discussions.
I am afraid it will go to another vote in the Bundestag. No matter what happens, I wish that the salary of 86.400 Euro in the law would be decreased to a reasonable level.
There are several statistical publications from the state that there were very, very few foreigners who took NE wrt AuthenhG $19.
In this crisis I think 53.400 is reasonable. But after the downturn this limit must be increased again.
30 days left to 1st of January and we are still waiting for a stable status!
Klenze17.
klenze17
Member since 30.12.2004
Posted on 02.12.2008 13:18
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Hi everybody:
Just a question about this subject...it seems to me that even if the law changes and reduces the minimum yearly salary, those who are already in DE won't be able to apply for NE because the §19 states that this apply to foreigners arriving to DE...
I will be given a rise in salary that will push me above the limit of >63000 but I don't think I'll be able to apply since I've been here already for several years...can someone comment on this?
may the peace be in your soul
Ary
arianna
Member since 01.03.2006
Posted on 02.12.2008 13:36
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
This is not true.
There are people, like rajeshspg and havehope, who got NE $19, after they have come to DE. If they had given that only to the people who are arriving in DE, that would have been too ineffective, because there are very few people who have come to Germany in the recent years.
This law is effective for everyone who can prove in written form (contract or finance authorities) that he or she can earn 63.600 Euro (or 53.400 Euro if they change it).
Klenze17.
klenze17
Member since 30.12.2004
Posted on 02.12.2008 17:08
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
I want to make one point clearer:
Not all the people whose salary is higher 63.600 will have right to get this permit.
Only the people under the description "hochqualifizierte auslaendische Fachkraefte". Ex-Greencard'ler match this description. All computer, electrical, mechanical engineers and IT-specialists.
Not everyone.
Klenze17.
klenze17
Member since 30.12.2004
Posted on 08.12.2008 01:46
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Vermittlungsausschuss (advisory committee) will hold a meeting on 17th of December to discuss the Bundesrat's objection on the minimum gross annual income for NE $19:
http://www.bundesr...-2008.html?__nnn=true
Bundesrat wants to reduce the salary to 53K. Government wanted 63K.
The committee members are 50% from Bundesrat and 50% from Bundestag (parliament). If the committee decision is the same as Bundesrat, the government must reformulate the law and it must be voted in Bundestag again.
On the one hand, reducing the salary is good but on the other hand the process will take so long that it will not be effective on 01.01.2009, stated by the law. This will be then very close to the Elections in June 2009, and might be void...
A lot of qualified people in Germany are waiting for a stable status of this law. The crisis is hitting everywhere in Europe, people are getting jobless. All state bodies (Bundesrat, Bundestag, government and this committee) must be very fast. If this law will not be effective as soon as possible, in 2009 a lot of us will be jobless!
Klenze17.
klenze17
Member since 30.12.2004
Posted on 17.12.2008 21:59
Re: NE for highly skilled, anual salary >63000 Euro
Today the Vermittlungsausschuss (commission in the parliament) has got a meeting and still not decided what to do with the minimal salary to give the unlimited work/residence permit to the qualified foreigners. They did not decide yet whether 63K or 53K must be the minimum annual gross income to give the high-qualified foreigners unlimited work/residence permit.
However the Vermittlungsauschuss has decided to reduce the minimum amount of money to be invested by the freelancer to found a company, to give an unlimited residence permit. They reduced this amount from 500.000 Euro to 250.000 Euro.
Vermittlungsausschuss will held another meeting on 19.12.2008 to discuss the minimum salary for unlimited residence permit.
In this global crisis I am sure nobody has interest on 250.000 Euro/500.000 Euro stuff. Instead, if you concentrate on unlimited permit of the people, they even can be then freelancer with no money restriction.
Germany is very slow... Foreign investments are overseen.. Every second, minute is a loss for Germany.
2009 will be a very bad year. It still surprises me that still nobody has commented on this. A lot of forum members will be jobless in 2009.
Klenze17.
klenze17
Member since 30.12.2004