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DE Burgeschaft
Posted on 13.01.2007 23:25
DE Burgeschaft
I start the procedure.
For those who want to know...
I call Einbürgeramt(local town) and made an application for DE Burgerschaf.
I mean time they told me to go in VHS and just make the test proof for Integrationkurs and Orientirungkurs, couse there is no need for making all because I speak (communicate with them) excellent on german language.
Afther the proof,VHS (VolksHochSculle)confirm about my test and I present then this documents also:
- Pass
- Working contract or monthly incoms paper(not ALGII or HarzIV)- I think ALGI is OK?! I have not aks....
- Confirmation of loos or gave-up previous citizenship.
- 250€ pro person.
According to my present country embassy the procedure of givin up the present citizenship goes arround 3-4 months and cost 1500 € (idiots they think that I have at home printers for €.) and afterwards they are sending me the Confirmation.
For my children they told me that they receive automatcaly DE citizneship (pass) and can keep till 16 years old boot citizenship.
I did not ask for my wife, because she is (very)happy with her NE.
Should be arround August 2007 all done.
Bet someone from you will also request DE citizenship or?!
max
Member since 10.06.2004
Posted on 14.02.2007 09:57
Re: DE Burgeschaft
"Will I get my DE citizenship after returning?"
No.. DE-Citizenship and NE are two different pair of shoes. The fact that ABH* gives you the permission to stay out of Germany more than 6 months without losing your NE-Status does not necessarily mean that you also keep all kind of claims for the DE-Citizenship alive. No.. no.. no.. life is not that easy..
There is a completely different law which defines the requirements for the DE-Citizenship and it is not in any means combined with the laws defining the NE.
If you leave Germany for more than 6 Months, you really risk that your clock for DE-Citizenship would start to tick from zero. (In best case, the half of the years you spent before you left might be counted.. but only "might" )
All DE-Citizenship applications are handled by EBH** and they are NOT ABH and they check whether you qualify for the citizenship by checking the requirements of the citizenship law*** and that law does not tolerate the discontinuities longer than 6 months. You simply lose your Citizenship claim, if you happen to have discontinuities longer than 6 months. As simple as that. It is really irrelevant to them whether some ABH gave you permission or not..
Regards,
Lacrima
* Ausländerbehörde
** Einbürgerungsbehörde
***
http://www.info4al.../gesetze/stag2005.htm
lacrima
Member since 14.11.2003
Posted on 15.02.2007 10:21
Re: DE Burgeschaft
hi All,
I need your help. Please give me practical advice:
My situation is as below:
1. In march 2008, I will finish my 7 years in DE.
2. But from march 2007 till feb 2008, I will like to go and work in other country.
3. so I will go to AuslanderB and get the permission.
Now what happens?
When I come back in march 2008, can I get my DE because I finished 7 years(I did integration kurs) or this 1 year will be lost?
2. When should we apply, 6 months before?
3. What happens when I go to apply? Do I need to make test?
4. When should I make application to give up my original citizenship.
can someone please help
mailsuji
Member since 26.05.2004
Posted on 15.02.2007 11:17
Re: DE Burgeschaft
When I come back in march 2008, can I get my DE because I finished 7 years(I did integration kurs) or this 1 year will be lost?
>>>Did u read what lacrima has written in the post before you.? Your clock will be turned back to zero probably and have to live another 7 years in germany to get it.
2. When should we apply, 6 months before?
>>>Provided you will be staying in germany till March 2008, you will be able to apply only in March 2008(the time u will fulfill the necessary requirements
3. What happens when I go to apply? Do I need to make test?
>>>What test are you talking about. Did u do the integration course(German Course + Orientation Course + Final examination )? If you go the certificate then you dont have to give any test. As i said in my previous post, go to the Standesamt and ask. It is they who decide when and what they need
4. When should I make application to give up my original citizenship.
>>> Answered by the standesamt
raj
Member since 27.01.2004
Posted on 15.02.2007 11:24
Re: DE Burgeschaft
didnt help, but thanks anyway
mailsuji
Member since 26.05.2004
Posted on 15.02.2007 11:35
Re: DE Burgeschaft
I dont know why you are winding urself too much.
The best for you to do is go to the Standesamt and ask. Whatever we say here is not goin to matter much. Most of the people working in Standesamt are helpful and you can ask whatever questions or doubts you have and they are goin to answer it for you. What is that you fear?
raj
Member since 27.01.2004
Posted on 15.02.2007 12:44
Re: DE Burgeschaft
hi,
I dont have fear, just it is lot of time to go and ask and make appointments..
If you read the pdf posted in the thread here about how to become german, it says clearly that only thing matters is NE, and if you go out of germany for 6 months then NE will be lost, or if you made special arrangement with Auslanderbehorde.
Ofcourse, this is theoritical knowledge, and I was looking for practical knowledge. Therefore, I asked.
For sure, if I go out with permission from AuslandAmt, the clock will not be counted from 0 again, and you mentioned...
regards
mailsuji
Member since 26.05.2004
Posted on 15.02.2007 12:49
Re: DE Burgeschaft
@mailsuji
I think it is very clear from Lacrima and raj's postings.These are the best answer for your questions. I guess you are expecting a different answer.You need a solution for going out of Germany for 1 year and coming back and appling for DE citizenship.If you expect an answer for this you may not get it in this forum as we don't see a solution for that.
Don't take it personally.
Metro
metro
Member since 23.03.2004
Posted on 15.02.2007 12:55
Re: DE Burgeschaft
yes, yuo are right.. I am looking for that answer..
but if you read pdf and what raj said, its contradicting..
mailsuji
Member since 26.05.2004
Posted on 15.02.2007 13:35
Re: DE Burgeschaft
Hey mailsuji,
Here is your answer. You can go out and work in another country, provided that you have the NE permission. When you are back in Germany, just apply for the citizenship. 1 year gap will be surely harmless for your citizenship application. EBH Officers are reasonable people and they value practical experience, as they dont act according to laws and written regulations but according to practical experience. Even the fools know it.. 
Satisfied ?
Regards,
Lacrima
PS: I am not a lawyer and I don't guarantee the correctness of my advices. My advices are "only" the best of my knowledge and belief.
lacrima
Member since 14.11.2003
Posted on 15.02.2007 13:53
Re: DE Burgeschaft
@mailsuji
As you know in Germany every case is handled in a differnt way. What raj and Lacrima said was that the clock "MAY" tick from zero and it was not "WILL". But the probability is more that you need to start from zero.As EBH is totally different authority from ABH , they may act on their own way. You will have to take a big risk.
To your question,
1.this one year will not be counted at any cause for the 7 year rule. and best case is you can apply in Mar 2009 and the worst case may be your clock starts from zero again.
2.for german test, you will not require one if you have "Bescheinigung nach § 43 Abs. 3 Satz 2 des Aufenthaltsgesetzes".This is the certificate you get from the BAMF after your successful completion of the integeration course(includes ZD). If you don't have this then you cannot apply with the seven year rule.You have to wait for another year.
I hope this helps you a little bit.
Metro
metro
Member since 23.03.2004