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How is it to live in Germany? - Information and advices.

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Posted on 29.06.2004 18:49

How is it to live in Germany? - Information and advices.

Hi everybody,

I've been reading your forums and links for a few days now. I've been trying to get a little bit of taste on how things are for foreigners in Germany. Some of your comments and discussions give the feeling of DEFINATELY not going there. But on the other hand i guess not eveything is so bad or you guys would not be there. Can anybody tell me how is it to live in Germany and some advices to make a better living as a foreigner???

I'm looking too for some information. I'm married to a German (beutiful) woman and we've been considering moving to Germany lately. Does anybody know what choices i have in terms of visa, work permit and if i i'd have some "help" to get a job or health insurance, etc. I'm an IT professional and i have my own business here but violence and crime in my country are making us consider migration.

Thank you all!!

hectoravila

Member since 29.06.2004

 

Posted on 29.06.2004 19:21

Re: How is it to live in Germany? - Information and advices.

Hi,

it is not my turn to answer your question, because I am a German, so I can not be objectiv. But I want to tell you just a few sentences: There are many things in Germany which can be improved and at the moment we have big economical problems, but I am sure, we will come back to the top of the leading nations very soon (at least with the help of our Gcs!).

I travel a lot and I have seen many countries, so I ask myself, why so many Germans are unsatisfied and why they are moaning a lot, because we still work many hours less than Us citizens or people from Japan, or UK and on the other hand we have the most paid vacations. Our social system has problems, but it is still one of the best in the world. We have a crime rate, but usually you do not have to fear for your life if you get the idea to take a walk at midnight. Our school system... okay, I will stop here, but one more: In Germany everybody can say what he wants to, even against our polititians, and nobody has to fear for his freedom therefore.

Even our forum is open for critical voices and I myself already postet many critical messages.

So if you get a chance to come, you should do it. I will welcome you and if your ways lead you to Berlin, we could have a beer or a cup of tea together

This is valid for all of you, just give me a call when you visit Berlin.

Good luck!
Detlef

P.S.: After reading so many negative messages in the last weeks, I could not leave to write this. Forgive me ;-

hellfeld

Member since 17.10.2003

 

Posted on 29.06.2004 19:25

Re: How is it to live in Germany? - Information and advices.

If you are married to a German citizen than your situation is completely different.

Usually you will get a limited permission to stay with a duration of three years from the beginning. After five years it will be possible for you to get an unlimited permission to stay.

Even an unlimited permission to stay does not mean that deportation under certain circumstances is not possible for instance if you come into conflict with law and your sentence exceeds a certain limit.

You will have the equal rights as a German citizen regarding your permission to work.

Sorry to mention that: If your marriage should fail after two years as a lawful permanent resident in Germany your right to remain in Germany will no longer depend upon your marriage with a German citizen.

Unemployment is high. Being a foreigner myself I can asure you that being a foreigner is always more difficult than being at home.

German language is essential if you want to work. Think about the possibility to be without a job for a longer periode. Your wife will have to earn the money at the beginning. Can you cope with this situation of beiing the houseman? Can your wife cope with this situation?

As long as you are married to a German citizen you will be not a normal foreigner.

As a normal foreigner you should never receive social aid (Sozialhilfe) for a longer period of time.

What you hear in this forum is nonetheless reality for those who are normal foreigners. Their desperation is true.

Here you will find a lot of information regarding the Ausländergesetz which is still in power at the moment:

http://www.info4alien.de.

Gesetz über die Einreise und den Aufenthalt von Ausländern im Bundesgebiet (Ausländergesetz - AuslG)
Vom 9. Juli 1990 (BGBl. I S. 1354) zuletzt geändert durch Gesetz vom 09.01.2002 (BGBl. I S. 361 - Terrorismusbekämpfungsgesetz)

§ 23 Ausländische Familienangehörige Deutscher
(1) Die Aufenthaltserlaubnis ist nach Maßgabe des § 17 Abs. 1

1. dem ausländischen Ehegatten eines Deutschen,
2. dem ausländischen minderjährigen ledigen Kind eines Deutschen,
3. dem ausländischen Elternteil eines minderjährigen ledigen Deutschen zur Ausübung der Personensorge

zu erteilen, wenn der Deutsche seinen gewöhnlichen Aufenthalt im Bundesgebiet hat; sie kann nach Maßgabe des § 17 Abs. 1 auch dem nicht-sorgeberechtigten Elternteil eines minderjährigen ledigen Deutschen erteilt werden, wenn die familiäre Gemeinschaft schon im Bundesgebiet gelebt wird.

(2) Die Aufenthaltserlaubnis wird in der Regel für drei Jahre erteilt. Sie wird befristet verlängert, solange die familiäre Lebensgemeinschaft mit dem Deutschen im Bundesgebiet fortbesteht und die Voraussetzungen für die unbefristete Verlängerung noch nicht vorliegen.

(3) § 17 Abs. 5 und die §§ 19 und 21 finden entsprechende Anwendung; an die Stelle der Aufenthaltsgenehmigung des Ausländers tritt der gewöhnliche Aufenthalt des Deutschen im Bundesgebiet.

(4) Auf sonstige Familienangehörige findet § 22 entsprechende Anwendung.

cardholder

Member since 27.06.2004

 

Posted on 30.06.2004 08:05

Re: How is it to live in Germany? - Information and advices.

lol not much to add to what detlef and cardholder said! i only can tell that if you are married on a german citizen you definitely should come here, because Germany from my point of view is preferrable over other countries like U.S. as an immigration purpose, but only IF you have the same rights with german citizens. as you are married to a german citizen, you do have the same rights with german citizens (excluding possibility to elect politicians, but who really cares about that?) unless you are a criminal, the whole system works for you not against you and therefore you should have absolutely no problems here

trusday

Member since 10.03.2004

 

Posted on 30.06.2004 16:42

Re: How is it to live in Germany? - Information and advices.

First, thank you all for your comments,

Detlef:
Thank you for that invitation, i'm strongly considering to accept it. You know, my wife has exactly the same opinion as you about many unsatisfied Germans. I guess it's just because they have never experienced or get to really know some other countries situations, on the other hand though, it's always valid to try to expect for more.

Cardholder:
You know i actually thought it was going to be something like that. At the beginning i'll get to be the houseman. I'm actually ok with that especially because i haven't been able to spent so much time with my son (2 and a half year old) and i'd really love to do it.
I'm going to have my wife translating what you sent me. But maybe somebody can tell me a little bit about this one concern:
I'm going to need to learn the language and probably during that time i'm not going to be able to get a job. What i've heard is that you can not really spent a long period without working. Does that mean i'm probably have to get a job like it or not???. Don't get me wrong, i'm not afraid of working but i guess all of us would want to work on our own areas, right?

Trusday:
Yeah, you're right!! i'd like to vote but i would not know who to vote for anyway!!

One final question for all of you if you alow me:
Putting aside GC, visa, permits, etc.
WOULD YOU SAY GERMANY IS A NICE PLACE TO LIVE?????

Thanks again,
Hector

hectoravila

Member since 29.06.2004

 

Posted on 30.06.2004 16:56

Re: How is it to live in Germany? - Information and advices.

Hi Hector,

Yes Germany is good place to live and also beautiful country(not only German Girls!)..

Cheers,
VSK

vsrikanth9

Member since 17.11.2003

 

Posted on 30.06.2004 17:10

Re: How is it to live in Germany? - Information and advices.

Hi Hector,

I am not a German, but I can tell you that Germany is a great country to live in... I am here since 3 years and I am in love with the country... Thats why I am behind the Permanant Residency to make Germany my home.
zash

zash

Member since 27.05.2004

 

Posted on 30.06.2004 17:13

Re: How is it to live in Germany? - Information and advices.

I have lived in four countries up to now (my home country, Germany, Hungary and Canada) and spent some time (business) in couple of others (US, Holland). Apart of my home country, Germany is deifinitely my first choice. Understanding and speaking the local language is the most important thing. Accepting and adopting the local attitude comes right after that. You can always try. I would even recomend that - like I did it with Canada. Now I at least know I dont like there. And it is never to late to change your mind. One can get easily confused with to many different opinions. You got to try it and you have all you need to do so.

james

Member since 07.01.2004

 

Posted on 30.06.2004 18:41

Re: How is it to live in Germany? - Information and advices.

very good resource about the country and its people below;

"Culture Shock! Germany (Culture Shock! Country Guides)"
by Richard Lord
Paperback: 311 pages
Publisher: Graphic Arts Center Publishing Company;
ISBN: 1558687564

pwehrli

Member since 08.01.2004

 

Posted on 30.06.2004 18:52

Re: How is it to live in Germany? - Information and advices.

@Hectoravila

Q: I'm going to need to learn the language and probably during that time i'm not going to be able to get a job.

A: That is correct.

Q: What i've heard is that you can not really spent a long period without working.

A: Do you know any country where you can live a long period of time without working?

Q: Does that mean i'm probably have to get a job like it or not???. Don't get me wrong, i'm not afraid of working but i guess all of us would want to work on our own areas, right?

A: Chances are that you will for many many years not able to work what you are doing now, finally if you are out of your profession for many years maybe forever.

cardholder

Member since 27.06.2004

 

Posted on 30.06.2004 19:03

Re: How is it to live in Germany? - Information and advices.

@Hectoravila

Did you ever think that it could happen to you that you are humiliated because of being a foreigner having the wrong colour?

Did you ever think that it could happen to you that native people could tell you that you do not belong in their country?

Are you strong enough not to become disappointed by that?

Yes of course Germany is beautifull but the sun and the sky, the water and the mountain are beautifull elsewhere too.

We all breath the same air but as a foreigner you will experience that you are not equal.

Are you strong enough to cope with this kind of frustration?

And one more thing: Do not go to East Germany if you do not have to. You might get hurt.

cardholder

Member since 27.06.2004

 

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