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Auslaenderfeindlichkeit ist gewollt in DE
Posted on 22.05.2006 17:01
Auslaenderfeindlichkeit ist gewollt in DE
das stimmt, es wird immer wieder von den politikern angestiftet, z.B. Stoiber und Beck in Bayern. Die ganze diskussion um die deutsche Sprache und Leitbild ist auf Auslaenderfeindlichkeit gerichtet und es ist gewollt. Meinetwegen koennen die deutschen unter sich bleiben. Ich habe DE vor einem Jahr verlassen und es geht mir auch gesundheitlich viel besser, muss mich nicht jeden tag mit irgendeine vorschrift auseinandersetzen. Und ich boykotiere bewusst deutsche produkte im ausland, warum soll ich so eine gesellschaft noch unterstuetzen.
Cheers
JJ
Member since 07.01.2005
Posted on 25.05.2006 07:38
Re: Auslaenderfeindlichkeit ist gewollt in DE
Hi,
I like to add one last thing to this subject, that is my opinion of course.
The good times for Europe are past, specially western europe. Economically, politically and society as a whole are becoming more and more irrelevant. Now it is the turn of the asian countries, i.e. China. And europe, specially Germany is ill prepared to deal with a continous down turn, there foreigners at the least integrated and I fault the government for it and not the foreigners.Add to all of this the stubborness of the Germans connected with their misplaced pride.
Cheers
JJ
Member since 07.01.2005
Posted on 25.05.2006 16:11
Re: Auslaenderfeindlichkeit ist gewollt in DE
The good times for Europe are past, specially western europe.
i wouldn't say so 
Now it is the turn of the asian countries, i.e. China.
Why should western Europe worry much about China right now, escapes me. It can't possibly make a claim on territory of west european countries yet for generations to come and therefore does not represent any immediate threat to Germany. Nor should it matter for west european countries that China is a main source of cheap labour force in the world, because cheap labour force doesn't disturb an equilibrium just by itself; it needs investitions and access to markets in order to be able to get a possibility to change anything, that is the things controlled by west european countries as well.
However it would be interesting to think about possible development of situation around border between China and Russia if that cheap labour force in China doesn't get enough investitions and access to world markets in some moment of time
-
Member since 20.02.2005
Posted on 26.05.2006 09:03
Re: Auslaenderfeindlichkeit ist gewollt in DE
Hi ,
Another attack on foriegners :
http://www.spiegel...0,1518,418113,00.html
I hope that politicians will not jump now and say "Its because these people did not want to Intigrate they were attacked " . As they used to say on the media .
I blame the politicians for this hatterd on foriegners . As soon as elections are due , they forget about economic problems in the country and start speaking about integration , Citezenship tests . They convinced a larg sector of the people that problems of this country are because foriegners are working here in order to attrackt more electoral public .
Regds
green2000
Member since 03.02.2005
Posted on 26.05.2006 11:08
Re: Auslaenderfeindlichkeit ist gewollt in DE
JJ wrote:
Economically, politically and society as a whole are becoming more and more irrelevant.
You have of course evidences for that. Riots in France, the highest unemployment rates in France and Germany since the 2nd World War, NO votes from Holland and France against EU Constitution Law, cheap labor threat coming from new 10 EU members.
But I think it is too early to say that they are irrelevant.
"-" replies:
Why should western Europe worry much about China right now, escapes me.
Yes. For example go to any shop. Look at the bottom of Adidas, Puma shoes, look inside of any west brand Tom Tailor, Lewis, Esprit, Wrangler etc.. etc.. All the products of west brand have been produced in China, India, Bangladesh, Turkey..
The capitalist system in EU and USA chose that. Why would they worry much about, though..
green2000 adds:
Another attack on foriegners :
http://www.spiegel...0,1518,418113,00.html
These two cities are in East Germany. East Germany is economically worse than West Germany.
The worse the economy is; the more difficult to find a job, the more raises the nationalist feelings, or less tolerance to something.
Germany's economy is in recession since the beginning of this century; but they are doing everything possible to reverse the downturn.
Klenze17.
klenze17
Member since 06.11.2004
Posted on 27.05.2006 00:02
Re: Auslaenderfeindlichkeit ist gewollt in DE
there were three attacks on foreigners on 26.05.2006 in germany, i donot know how many of you got this news.
- two in bavaria (so called free state)
- one in east-germany (a communist state previously)
among those victims -
- three turkish (in one attack)
- one indian shop owner
- three africans
@klenze17
"These two cities are in East Germany. East Germany is economically worse than West Germany."
so you mean only east-germany? what about bavaria?
"The worse the economy is; the more difficult to find a job, the more raises the nationalist feelings, or less tolerance to something."
i donot think so, i can get you bunch of people who are bosses and well educated west-germany people who belong to those category. so?
"Germany's economy is in recession since the beginning of this century;"
i have very good experience of that anyway 
"but they are doing everything possible to reverse the downturn."
increasing the tax? (that is the only solution they've found until now, thanks-god) i donot belive that would help in anycase of getting the country out of recession, you can see that prolly will feel very soon all of us.
instructor
Member since 01.09.2005
Posted on 27.05.2006 04:49
Re: Auslaenderfeindlichkeit ist gewollt in DE
increasing the tax? (that is the only solution they've found until now, thanks-god) i donot belive that would help in anycase of getting the country out of recession, you can see that prolly will feel very soon all of us.
that only means that politicians are helpless, do not control anything and can't change anything. they should reduce bureaucracy and make major changes in the whole system, but they can't do that because it's not possible to make those changes without narrowing of democratic rights. this of course doesn't mean that existing problems will just vanish, it's more likely that it will be more and more necessary to do something about them. and in one day people will say "enough!" and will elect communists or nazis, and you can't do anything about that
-
Member since 20.02.2005
Posted on 27.05.2006 08:50
Re: Auslaenderfeindlichkeit ist gewollt in DE
@-
the communist in former east germany hat no problems with foreigners, there were plenty of them from vietnam and other communist countries living there.
Germany is far-right oriented and has always been. States like Bavaria are of course more than the states like schleswig holstein.
I the government wanted to do something about it, it could easily but the issue is that they are part of the system.
Why would they release guys after initial arrests, or say that they did NOT intend to kill their victim, how absurd. So their crime is less important and the evidence is not clear. They initially said the DNA trace was a "mish spur" mixed-trace. they use anything to reduce the issue, and all of this does NOT NOT happen without sympathisers in the government and courts.
I wonder if they would react the same way if it was an islamsit attaking? Ahh, these guys are right wingers or people from the right, the others are terrorists and foreigners who don't integrate.
Instead of giving heavy jail sentences to the nazis they are paasing the buck, like this court is not responsible, and the other court has no juristiction, and deny it is hate crime issue, or may be the african guy provoked those attackers, all this has been said lately.
All of this will further the image of germany being a nazi country, still. And that with reason.
All of this is of course my personal opinion and i am not in any way affiliated with any party or political group, right, center or left.
Cheers
JJ
Member since 07.01.2005
Posted on 27.05.2006 11:47
Re: Auslaenderfeindlichkeit ist gewollt in DE
Amoklauf bei Bahnhofseröffnung: 28 Menschen niedergestochen
http://www.n24.de/...?a2006052709453065060
"Hintergründe der Tat unklar
...
Er stammt nach Polizeiangaben nicht aus einer Migrantenfamilie."
Klar, wenn er kein Ausländer ist.
kaan.oezturk
Member since 10.02.2004
Posted on 27.05.2006 16:10
Re: Auslaenderfeindlichkeit ist gewollt in DE
they use anything to reduce the issue, and all of this does NOT NOT happen without sympathisers in the government and courts.
lol what else should they do, say aloud to the whole world that germany has rasists and can't do anything about them? come on, every country does the same thing with their nazis
besides, such people (i mean nazis) can be very useful in some cases. that may sound cynical, but it's a simple fact of life: governments in all countries use all their resources including nazis, rasists and terrorists.
or may be the african guy provoked those attackers, all this has been said lately.
well that can be the case as well, why do you exclude such a possibility? drunk people tend to do stupid things that they would never do in their normal condition
and i would say that people should await something like that when they show their intolerance to people with other skin colour first. tell me why two german guys were not allowed to enter african disco in the first place?
i will give you one example so that you will not say that germans are responsible for everything. we have one african disco here in Mannheim, i used to visit it time to time. everything was nice till the day when i refused to buy one african guy a glass of cola. now they don't let me in without any explanation *lol*
Klar, wenn er kein Ausländer ist.
dangerous guy i would say. not everybody could do something like that in the center of the city, and people with police needed whole 10 minutes to stop him! :P
btw this case shows that you always have to be able to protect yourself and must not count on some help or on the possibility to cry about nazis afterwards. the guy didn't go after foreigners or?
-
Member since 20.02.2005
Posted on 27.05.2006 19:55
Re: Auslaenderfeindlichkeit ist gewollt in DE
@-
"that only means that politicians are helpless, do not control anything and can't change anything. they should reduce bureaucracy and make major changes in the whole system, but they can't do that because it's not possible to make those changes without narrowing of democratic rights. this of course doesn't mean that existing problems will just vanish, it's more likely that it will be more and more necessary to do something about them. and in one day people will say "enough!" and will elect communists or nazis, and you can't do anything about that"
good one
"you can't do anything about that"
yup, but we can get ready to run away!
instructor
Member since 01.09.2005
